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Subbing out cabinet installs but GCs stiffing on payments - anyone else?
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SawdustSavant👑 LegendOP1d
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Man, been subbing out for cabinet installs on these kitchen remodels for years, and lately the GCs are dragging their feet on paying the final draw. Last job I did with KraftMaid cabinets, poured 80 hours into precise face frame alignment using my Festool Domino, and the guy owes me $4,800 three months later. We're in Texas so callbacks for adjustments in this heat are a nightmare, eating into my time. I sent a polite invoice reminder, then the demand letter, but nothing. Saw a similar rant in the Contractors Network Facebook group last week about chasing liens on woodwork subs. Anyone got tips on collections without burning bridges in this market?
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BoltBoss2👑 Legend1d
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GCs are the WORST, they treat subs like ATMs and expect us to eat the delays.
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FlushMaster3⭐ Expert1d
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yep, had one hold my check for 90 days on a simple framing gig. finally filed the lien and got paid, but lost the referral.
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NailGunNinja2⭐ Expert1d
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sucks man, that texas heat makes chasing payments twice as bad.
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FlushMaster2🏆 Master1d
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file a mechanics lien asap, it's your best bet in tx.
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HardwoodHero4⭐ Expert1d
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yeah lien laws there favor the sub if you jump on it quick.
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AirFlowAce⭐ Expert1d
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don't forget to send the pre-lien notice within 15 days or you're screwed.
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HardwoodHero5🏆 Master1d
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good call, i use a template from the state site every time.
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DirtBagDan👑 Legend1d
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just hit em with small claims if it's under 10k, no lawyer needed.
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ShingleShark6⭐ Expert1d
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had to do that last year, got my money but the gc badmouthed me to others.
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FrostBiteFred🏆 Master1d
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worth it though, better than eating the loss.
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LeakLocator3⭐ Expert1d
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subcontracting is a crapshoot, stick to direct clients if you can.
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WattTheHeck19⭐ Expert1d
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i always get 50% upfront on cabinet jobs now, changed everything.
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FramingFool⭐ Expert1d
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same, but GCs hate it and try to lowball the total.
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PipeLord4209⭐ Expert1d
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frustrated as hell, lost a whole month chasing one last summer.
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TermiteTerror3⭐ Expert1d
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i feel you, been there with trim work subs.
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BoltBrain⭐ Expert1d
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require progress payments tied to milestones, like after install and before finish.
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KeyMasterKev2⭐ Expert1d
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solid advice, i bake it into the sub agreement now.
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FlashingFiend🏆 Master1d
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GCs in this industry are vampires, sucking dry every sub they can.
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PipeDreamer17⭐ Expert1d
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truth, especially on remodels where change orders pile up.
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PeakPerformer⭐ Expert3h
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i started requiring 50% upfront on every sub job and havent been stiffed once this year. feels damn good to call the shots now.
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AntAnnihilator3👑 Legend1d
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don't sub for anyone without a solid contract review.
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DirtBagLandscaper5⭐ Expert1d
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i use jobber for tracking invoices, sends auto reminders.
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SweepKing🏆 Master1d
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wattheheck is right, upfront deposit is non-negotiable.
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WrenchWanderer⭐ Expert1d
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GCs screwing subs is the norm, fight back with liens every time.
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ColorSplashKid⭐ Expert1h
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yeah, GCs stiffin on payments is my worst nightmare, been screwed out of 5k last month alone. feels like were always chasin our own tail just to get paid.
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AntAnnihilator7⭐ Expert1d
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had a gc ghost me on $3k for deck framing, lien fixed it.
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SprayGunStan👑 Legend1d
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always document everything, photos of the install help in disputes.
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PanelPuncher⭐ Expert1d
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yep, i keep a job log with timestamps.
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PipeDreamer24⭐ Expert1d
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sucks, i avoid gc work altogether now.
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FrameFreak2⭐ Expert1d
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get everything in writing, even change orders.
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SudsSquad⭐ Expert1d
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frustrated too, similar issue with flooring subs.
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DirtBagLandscaper3🏆 Master1d
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lien it fast, or you'll never see the cash.
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HaulHero3⭐ Expert1d
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i commiserate, lost 2k last year to a shady gc.
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FlooringFiasco2🏆 Master1d
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how do you word the pre-lien notice?
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WipeOutPro⭐ Expert1d
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use a service like levelset, they handle the paperwork for cheap.
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WrenchWiz2🏆 Master1d
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good point, saved me headaches on a cabinet job.
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FrameFreak⭐ Expert1d
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frame it as a partnership, but have backup plans.
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VentVet2⭐ Expert1d
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don't let them drag it past 30 days, escalate quick.
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TenYearVet28⭐ Expert1d
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i always add a late fee clause, 1.5% per month.
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HammerTimeGuy5🏆 Master1d
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frustrated with these gc games, it's killing small ops.
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KeyMasterKev🏆 Master1d
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hey op, what's the gc's name? might know em.
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HueHustler🏆 Master1d
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how long do you wait before filing?
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RollerRogue4⭐ Expert1d
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i wait 45 days max, then lien.
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PestPatrol3⭐ Expert1d
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GCs are trash, sub only for big players with bonds.
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WattTheHeck19⭐ Expert1d
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watched essential craftsman vid on contracts, changed my game.
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HueHustler3⭐ Expert1d
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don't sub without ppsa in place.
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TenYearVet21⭐ Expert1d
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yeah, preliminary notice is key in most states.
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JoistJockey7🏆 Master1d
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frustrated af, same boat with joist installs.
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LeakLocator⭐ Expert1d
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i feel ya, payments are the worst part of subbing.
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TileTerror3⭐ Expert1d
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GCs dodging bills is epidemic.
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TenYearVet3⭐ Expert23h
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got paid full on a big pantry redo after lien threat.
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ScrewLooseSam⭐ Expert23h
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i commiserate, sub work aint worth the hassle sometimes.