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Subbing out cabinet installs but GCs stiffing on payments - anyone else?
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SawdustSavant
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SawdustSavant⭐ ExpertOP5mo
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Man, been subbing out for cabinet installs on these kitchen remodels for years, and lately the GCs are dragging their feet on paying the final draw. Last job I did with KraftMaid cabinets, poured 80 hours into precise face frame alignment using my Festool Domino, and the guy owes me $4,800 three months later. We're in Texas so callbacks for adjustments in this heat are a nightmare, eating into my time. I sent a polite invoice reminder, then the demand letter, but nothing. Saw a similar rant in the Contractors Network Facebook group last week about chasing liens on woodwork subs. Anyone got tips on collections without burning bridges in this market?
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BoltBoss2⭐ Expert5mo
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GCs are the WORST, they treat subs like ATMs and expect us to eat the delays.
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FlushMaster3⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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yep, had one hold my check for 90 days on a simple framing gig. finally filed the lien and got paid, but lost the referral.
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V6529🔧 Apprentice5mo
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started subbin out my own cabinet installs this year and finally got paid ON TIME every damn time by bein my own GC, feels good as hell.
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NailGunNinja2⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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sucks man, that texas heat makes chasing payments twice as bad.
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FlushMaster2⭐ Expert5mo
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file a mechanics lien asap, it's your best bet in tx.
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HardwoodHero4⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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yeah lien laws there favor the sub if you jump on it quick.
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AirFlowAce⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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don't forget to send the pre-lien notice within 15 days or you're screwed.
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HardwoodHero5⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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good call, i use a template from the state site every time.
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DirtBagDan⭐ Expert5mo
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just hit em with small claims if it's under 10k, no lawyer needed.
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ShingleShark6⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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had to do that last year, got my money but the gc badmouthed me to others.
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FrostBiteFred⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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worth it though, better than eating the loss.
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LeakLocator3⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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subcontracting is a crapshoot, stick to direct clients if you can.
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WattTheHeck19⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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i always get 50% upfront on cabinet jobs now, changed everything.
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FramingFool⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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same, but GCs hate it and try to lowball the total.
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PipeLord4209⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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frustrated as hell, lost a whole month chasing one last summer.
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TermiteTerror3⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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i feel you, been there with trim work subs.
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BoltBrain⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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require progress payments tied to milestones, like after install and before finish.
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KeyMasterKev2⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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solid advice, i bake it into the sub agreement now.
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FlashingFiend⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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GCs in this industry are vampires, sucking dry every sub they can.
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PipeDreamer17⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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truth, especially on remodels where change orders pile up.
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PeakPerformer⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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i started requiring 50% upfront on every sub job and havent been stiffed once this year. feels damn good to call the shots now.
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AntAnnihilator3⭐ Expert5mo
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don't sub for anyone without a solid contract review.
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DirtBagLandscaper5⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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i use jobber for tracking invoices, sends auto reminders.
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SweepKing⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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wattheheck is right, upfront deposit is non-negotiable.
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WrenchWanderer⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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GCs screwing subs is the norm, fight back with liens every time.
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ColorSplashKid⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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yeah, GCs stiffin on payments is my worst nightmare, been screwed out of 5k last month alone. feels like were always chasin our own tail just to get paid.
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AntAnnihilator7⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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had a gc ghost me on $3k for deck framing, lien fixed it.
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SprayGunStan⭐ Expert5mo
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always document everything, photos of the install help in disputes.
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PanelPuncher⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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yep, i keep a job log with timestamps.
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PipeDreamer24⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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sucks, i avoid gc work altogether now.
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FrameFreak2⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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get everything in writing, even change orders.
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PipeLord42029⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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i switched to requiring 50% upfront on all subs and havent been stiffed once in three years. feels damn good to call the shots now.
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SudsSquad⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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frustrated too, similar issue with flooring subs.
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DirtBagLandscaper3⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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lien it fast, or you'll never see the cash.
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HammerTimeVet⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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those gc's are the WORST, always stiffing us subs like it's their damn job while they pocket the big checks - i've lost thousands chasing 'em down.
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HaulHero3⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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i commiserate, lost 2k last year to a shady gc.
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FlooringFiasco2⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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how do you word the pre-lien notice?
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PipeDreamer18⭐ Expert5mo
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keep it simple and state the amount due, the work done on the cabinet install, and that you're filing a lien if not paid in 10 days. something like 'notice of intent to lien: $4,500 unpaid for kitchen cabinets at 123 main st, payment due immediately or we'll record the lien.' send it certified mail so you've got proof they got it.
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WipeOutPro⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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use a service like levelset, they handle the paperwork for cheap.
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WrenchWiz2⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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good point, saved me headaches on a cabinet job.
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FrameFreak⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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frame it as a partnership, but have backup plans.
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VentVet2⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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don't let them drag it past 30 days, escalate quick.
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TenYearVet28⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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i always add a late fee clause, 1.5% per month.
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HammerTimeGuy5⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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frustrated with these gc games, it's killing small ops.
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KeyMasterKev⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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hey op, what's the gc's name? might know em.
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HueHustler⭐ Expert5mo
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how long do you wait before filing?
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RollerRogue4⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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i wait 45 days max, then lien.
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DoorJamJam⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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been there with those gc's who think they can drag their feet forever. i had a job last year where they owed me 8k and ghosted for months, had to file the lien just to get 'em moving. it's bullshit how they screw us subs while pocketing the rest. makes you wanna stick to solo work sometimes.
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PestPatrol3⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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GCs are trash, sub only for big players with bonds.
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WattTheHeck19⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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watched essential craftsman vid on contracts, changed my game.
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HueHustler3⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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don't sub without ppsa in place.
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TenYearVet21⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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yeah, preliminary notice is key in most states.
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JoistJockey7⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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frustrated af, same boat with joist installs.
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LeakLocator⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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i feel ya, payments are the worst part of subbing.
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TileTerror3⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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GCs dodging bills is epidemic.
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TenYearVet3⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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got paid full on a big pantry redo after lien threat.
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ScrewLooseSam⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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i commiserate, sub work aint worth the hassle sometimes.
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ChillMaster6⭐ Expert5mo
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customer thought my cat built their cabinets lol.
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TarWarrior⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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never sign without a payment bond clause.
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DrainDruid⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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frustrated, had to lawyer up once for 5k.
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WireWhizKid⭐ Expert5mo
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sharking gc fees is bs, charge more upfront.
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LawnLad420⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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lmao at gc excuses, 'cash flow issues' my ass.
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BoxHaulerBob⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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i feel bad for ya, subbing sucks.
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SawdustSavant14⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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i feel you on the texas callbacks.
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CircuitSavage⭐ Expert5mo
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GCs are the devil, avoid if possible.
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WattTheHeck4⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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don't chase, let the lien do the work.
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PolishPro⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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GCs in texas are notorious for this crap.
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PipeDreamer10⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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use quickbooks for invoicing, tracks it all.
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LiftAndShift⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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frustrated, similar with door installs.
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PipeLord4202⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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haha, my dog ate the invoice story from a gc.
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PaintSplatterPat4⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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i commiserate, payments delayed my tool upgrades.
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HardwoodHero4⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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i commiserate, lost sleep over one.
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PipeLord4206⭐ Expert5mo
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lien every time, it's your right.
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PestBuster99⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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how do you find good gc partners?
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SparkPlugSue2⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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those gc's are the WORST, always stiffing subs like us while they pocket the change and laugh all the way to the bank.
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BrushStrokePro11⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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GCs screwing everyone, time to unionize subs.
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SudsAndScrub2⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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i feel that pain, subbing for cabinets is rough.
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FloorFitter⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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don't do verbal agreements, ever.
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EaveExpert3⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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GCs are leeches, charge premium for sub work.
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BrushStrokePro4⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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frustrated, had to eat a 2k loss.
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ColorBlindPainter⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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i commiserate, texas market is cutthroat.
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WattTheHeck29⭐ Expert5mo
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roller ranger, what's your rate for cabinets?
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RollerRanger8⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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i network in contractors network fb group.
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V6187🌱 Newcomer5mo
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how long you usually wait before filing a mechanics lien on those gc's? i got stiffed once and it took forever to sort out.
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BugHunterPro⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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subs get hosed too often.
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BugBane⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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saw a post on r/construction about this.
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SparkPlugSue2⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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i commiserate, payments suck.
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ChillMaster3⭐ Expert5mo
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use acculynx for tracking sub payments.
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BrushStrokeBoss11⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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frustrated with gc delays.
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ConduitCrafter⭐ Expert5mo
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i commiserate, been subbed for trim.
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TenYearVet13⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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GCs everywhere are the problem.
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DirtBagLandscaper3⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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GCs dodging payments is BS.
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CleanFreakPro⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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i commiserate hard.
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ChillMaster⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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i commiserate, sub life.
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FreonFanatic⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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GCs are scum.
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RoofRat882⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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lien and move on.
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AntAnnihilator⭐ Expert5mo
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frustrated asf.
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CastIronHater⭐ Expert5mo
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i turned down sub work after last stiff.
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TenYearVet9⭐ Expert5mo
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GCs killing the trade.
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AmpedApprentice4⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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frustrated, learning the hard way.
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WireWizard9⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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i commiserate.
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WrenchWiz3⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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GCs suck.
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WireWhizKid⭐ Expert5mo
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i commiserate with op.
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RollerRabbit⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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hit 100k this year avoiding bad gcs.
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FloorFitterFred⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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frustrated, payments late again.
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NotAnElectrician25⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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i commiserate, subbing woes.
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ToolTinker⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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gc's are the WORST, i've chased payments for months on cabinet jobs and end up eating the loss. screw subbing for those cheap bastards, going direct now.