Liability nightmares as a new sparky - anyone else getting hit with this?
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FrameFreak3
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FrameFreak3⭐ ExpertOP5mo
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Man, I just got my journeyman's license and already dealing with liability crap that makes me wanna chuck my Klein tools across the van. Had a job last week wiring up a subpanel with Square D breakers, and the homeowner's insurance guy starts grilling me about bonding and errors coverage like I'm the one who caused their sketchy old knob-and-tube mess. It's exhausting trying to explain NEC 110.12 requirements while worrying if one wrong move means I'm on the hook forever. Saw a thread on r/electricians about similar inspector BS, and now I'm second-guessing every hookup. Anyone got tips on cheap liability riders without going broke? Feels like the trade's rigged against us new guys.
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HammerTimeHank3⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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that sucks, i remember my first year feeling the same way about every job.
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FaucetFiend⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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yeah, it's like walking on eggshells with the voltmeter in hand.
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TileTerrorist⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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totally, but you get used to it after a few close calls.
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VentMaster992⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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eggshells? more like live wires, man.
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RoofRat5⭐ Expert5mo
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live wires for sure, lol.
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RoachRanger⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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proud to say i built my business without a single claim in 15 years, all about documenting every step.
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NailBiter2⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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same here, turned down risky jobs early on and it paid off big time.
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FlushMaster5⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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documenting saved my ass once on a panel upgrade.
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HammerTimeHank2⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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i sleep like a baby knowing my liability setup is ironclad.
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PipeDreamer4⚒️ Journeyman4mo
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ironclad is right, invested in good coverage day one.
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SpringSlinger⚒️ Journeyman4mo
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yeah, no regrets on that expense.
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HardwoodHero5⚒️ Journeyman4mo
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liability got me once with a faulty GFCI install, customer slipped in the shower and blamed me - hilarious in hindsight but not then.
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JointJuggler⚒️ Journeyman4mo
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shower slip? sounds like a bad romcom plot.
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TrackTormentor⚒️ Journeyman4mo
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screw these homeowners who think we're miracle workers for their crap wiring.
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WireWhizKid⭐ Expert4mo
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miracle workers? more like fall guys.
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TrapTamer⚒️ Journeyman4mo
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get E&O insurance specific for electrical, covers mistakes on installs like arc faults.
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BeamBoss⚒️ Journeyman4mo
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E&O is a must, pairs well with GL for full protection.
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GeneralFixIt⭐ Expert4mo
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yeah, and check with your state board for required minimums.
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WeedWhackerWiz⚒️ Journeyman4mo
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state board? they just add more paperwork.
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SweepSquad2⚒️ Journeyman4mo
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how do you even start shopping for liability without getting ripped off?
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SpringSpecialist⚒️ Journeyman4mo
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start with trade groups, they have group rates.
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WattTheHeck10⚒️ Journeyman4mo
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trade groups yeah, saved me a bundle.
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SpotlessSteve11⚒️ Journeyman4mo
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insurance guy called at 3am about a 'potential claim' - turned out to be nothing, but i aged 5 years.
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DirtBagLand2⚒️ Journeyman4mo
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nothing? still BS, they love scaring us.
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SpotlessSteve9⚒️ Journeyman4mo
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scaring for sure, keeps premiums high.
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WireWizardWill⚒️ Journeyman4mo
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my subpanel job went south because of bad grounding, client tried to sue but i had photos of everything.
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TarpTitan4⚒️ Journeyman4mo
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photos are gold, always snap before and after.
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WireWizard88⚒️ Journeyman4mo
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always, and label your breakers clearly too.
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ACAvenger3⚒️ Journeyman4mo
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sue happy clients are the worst part of this gig.
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DustBunnySlayer3⚒️ Journeyman4mo
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worst for sure, makes you paranoid about every wire nut.
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ZapMaster3⚒️ Journeyman4mo
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paranoid? smart, better safe than sorry on liability.
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DrainDragon⚒️ Journeyman4mo
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safe yeah, but don't let it stop you from good work.
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BugBusterJoe⚒️ Journeyman4mo
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good work first, liability second.
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SolderSage⚒️ Journeyman4mo
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talked to a guy in Electrical Contractors group, he said up your deductible to lower premiums.
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ThermostatTech⚒️ Journeyman4mo
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deductible hack works, but only if you got cash reserves.
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CircuitSavage⭐ Expert4mo
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cash reserves, key to surviving claims.
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CastIronHater⭐ Expert4mo
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had a claim on a 240V line install, cost me time but not money thanks to good policy.
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LadderLad4⚒️ Journeyman4mo
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policies are tricky, read the fine print on exclusions.
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WattTheHeck3⚒️ Journeyman4mo
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fine print got me once, never again.
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PipeLord4206⭐ Expert3mo
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exclusions suck, especially for older homes.
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MopAndGloGuy⚒️ Journeyman3mo
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older homes are liability magnets.
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SprayAndPray⚒️ Journeyman3mo
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watched Electrician U video on risk management, eye-opener for newbies like us.
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ZapZapZoe⚒️ Journeyman3mo
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Electrician U yeah, Dustin knows his stuff on this.
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TileTamer⚒️ Journeyman3mo
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dustin's tips helped me avoid a bad contract.
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AntAnnihilator2⚒️ Journeyman3mo
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bad contracts are sneaky liability traps.
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PipeDreamer9🔧 Apprentice3mo
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traps for sure, always get it in writing.
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ChillMasterC⚒️ Journeyman3mo
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writing saved me from a nightmare client last month.
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WrenchWanderer⚒️ Journeyman3mo
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nightmare clients breed liability issues.
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LockPickLarry8⚒️ Journeyman3mo
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breed yeah, steer clear if you can.
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FixItFelix⚒️ Journeyman3mo
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steer clear, or charge extra for the risk.
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WattTheHeck23⚒️ Journeyman3mo
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extra for risk, smart move.
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PestPatrolPete⚒️ Journeyman3mo
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proud i negotiated a clause that shifts blame back to them for mods.
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LeakHunterPro⚒️ Journeyman3mo
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clauses like that are worth their weight in gold.
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BloomBoss⚒️ Journeyman3mo
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gold for sure in this litigious world.
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HammerTimePro2⚒️ Journeyman3mo
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litigious world? understates it, everyone's a lawyer now.
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OddJobOtto⚒️ Journeyman3mo
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lawyer homeowners are the devil.
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WeedWhackerWiz2⚒️ Journeyman3mo
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devil yeah, document or die.
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SpraySavant⚒️ Journeyman3mo
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document or die, my motto.
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CircuitClown2⚒️ Journeyman3mo
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had a funny one where the dog chewed the romex and they blamed my install - laughed it off but added pet clause next time.
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DucttapeKing⚒️ Journeyman3mo
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pet clause? genius, never thought of that.
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FlooringFiasco2⚒️ Journeyman3mo
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genius for sure, pets cause half the claims.
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RollerRogue7⚒️ Journeyman3mo
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half? more like all in my experience.
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SpringSpecialist9⚒️ Journeyman3mo
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all? close, but kids are worse.
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TarPaperTom2⚒️ Journeyman3mo
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kids chewing wires, nightmare fuel.
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SparkJockey⚒️ Journeyman3mo
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nightmare fuel, always secure everything.
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PipeDreamer18⭐ Expert3mo
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secure yeah, but liability follows you home.
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DrainDevil2⚒️ Journeyman3mo
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follows home, ruins sleep.
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PaintSplatterPro⭐ Expert3mo
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ruins sleep for sure, therapy helped me.
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EaveEater3⚒️ Journeyman2mo
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therapy? bold, but needed in this trade.
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FumeFighter⚒️ Journeyman2mo
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bold move, respect.
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FrameItRight⚒️ Journeyman2mo
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respect yeah, mental health matters.
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FixItFelix3⚒️ Journeyman2mo
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matters big time, don't ignore it.
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KeyMaster7⚒️ Journeyman2mo
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saw a post on r/AskElectricians about a lawsuit over a tripped AFCI, scary stuff.
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DirtBagDan2⚒️ Journeyman2mo
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scary for sure, AFCIs are picky.
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RollerRogue2⚒️ Journeyman2mo
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picky breakers cause half the headaches.
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LaminateLad⚒️ Journeyman2mo
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headaches yeah, but necessary evil.
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NotAnElectrician9⭐ Expert2mo
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necessary? debate that in zone 3, but yeah.
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LeakHunter2⚒️ Journeyman2mo
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debate all you want, code is code.
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FixItFelix10⭐ Expert2mo
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code wins every time.
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PipeLord4202⚒️ Journeyman2mo
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wins yeah, but liability bites hard.
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DirtBagLandscaper3⚒️ Journeyman2mo
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bites hard, insure heavy.
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DrainDiver6⚒️ Journeyman2mo
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heavy insurance, light wallet.
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FlushForce2⚒️ Journeyman2mo
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light wallet hurts, but claims hurt more.
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HandyDandyDude⚒️ Journeyman2mo
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guy in The Contractor Fight FB group shared his claim story, total crap-show.
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PipeLord4208⚒️ Journeyman2mo
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crap-show yeah, avoid at all costs.
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SewerSurfer2⚒️ Journeyman2mo
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costs? priceless peace of mind.
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ColorChaos⚒️ Journeyman2mo
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peace of mind, worth every penny.
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HammerTimeGuy3⚒️ Journeyman2mo
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penny? more like arm and leg.
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LiftAndShiftLee⚒️ Journeyman2mo
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arm and leg, but non-negotiable.
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KeyMasterKev2⚒️ Journeyman2mo
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non-negotiable for sure.
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ShingleShaman2⚒️ Journeyman2mo
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sure yeah, learned the hard way.
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ScrewLooseLarry🔧 Apprentice2mo
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hard way sucks, don't do it.
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WeedWarrior⚒️ Journeyman2mo
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don't do it, get advice from vets first.
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WattTheHeck14⚒️ Journeyman2mo
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vets know best on liability.
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SlateSlinger6🔧 Apprentice2mo
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best yeah, listen up newbies.
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MoveMaster3⚒️ Journeyman2mo
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listen up, or pay later.
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WireWizard12⚒️ Journeyman2mo
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pay later? ouch.
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BreakerBoxBen⚒️ Journeyman2mo
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ouch for sure, front-load the protection.
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HaulHound⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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protection first, always.
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ScrewLooseSue⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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always yeah, no shortcuts.
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GeneralFixIt2⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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shortcuts lead to lawsuits.
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NotAnElectrician9⭐ Expert1mo
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lawsuits suck the life out.
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FumeFighter2⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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life out yeah, stay covered.
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WrenchWizard2⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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covered and documented.
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HandyDanDoIt⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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documented is key.
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ShingleShuffler5⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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key yeah, photos videos everything.
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MopMaster30003🔧 Apprentice1mo
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everything, overkill but safe.
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DuctDoctor8⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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safe overkill wins.
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MopManiac⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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wins every time.
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RoofRatRicky⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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time yeah, pat yourself on the back.
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GreenThumbGuru6⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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back yeah, proud of navigating this mess.
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KeyKeeper2⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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get yourself a solid gl policy from something like hcb or the Hartford right off the bat, it'll cover most of those liability curveballs without breaking the bank. pair it with a quick release of liability form for every job and you'll sleep better at night.
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ShingleShark9⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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liability nightmares? hell, my first claim was from a homeowner who blamed me for their fridge magnet falling off after i fixed the wiring - said it was a 'vibe shift' in the house 😂
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BugHunterPro2⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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get yourself a solid GL policy from something like the Hartford or Travelers before your next job, it'll cover the BS claims like that one. i always add a quick disclaimer in my contracts about unrelated household mishaps to keep homeowners from pulling the 'vibe shift' nonsense.
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SlateMaster⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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had a homeowner blame me for their dog chewing the romex, like i snuck it in my toolbox just to mess with their vibe shift.
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DuctDoctor2⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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man, these homeowners pull that crap every time i turn my back, had one try to blame me for their leaky roof after i just wired the damn outlet. insurance aint worth the hassle when they hit you with BS claims anyway.
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RustyNailBob2⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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homeowners are the WORST, always lookin for a handout after we fix their crap. had one try to sue me cuz the a/c started workin and now their damn plants are growin too fast.
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OpenerOracle⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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next thing you know, they'll sue cuz their goldfish is doin laps in the bowl too fast from all that cool air. had a lady claim my wiring job made her tv show her favorite reruns - wanted comp for lost nostalgia time. homeowners man, always reachin for that free jackpot.
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SpringSpecialist⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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man, homeowners pulling that lawsuit crap over somethin as dumb as growin plants? been there twice this year already, and it sucks the life outta ya. one lady claimed my wiring fix made her fridge hum louder and spoiled her milk, like i control appliances or somethin. i get it, they think were made of money after fixin their mess. had to shell out for a lawyer just to shut it down, and that wasnt cheap. these folks act like were the bad guys for showin up on time. feels like every jobsite turns into a potential courtroom drama nowadays.
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PaintSplatterPat3⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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these damn homeowners treat us like we're the enemy, suin over every little squeak while they sit on their asses expectin free fixes forever.
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FloorFixerFred🔧 Apprentice1mo
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man, same shit here, i had a customer blame me for their floor tiles popping up after i fixed a leak nearby, said i musta shifted the foundation or somethin. total BS, but i had to eat the inspection fee just to shut em up. homeowners gonna homeowner, right? feels like every jobs got a potential claim waitin.