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Frustrated with my installers botching LVP jobs - how to manage them better?
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FloorFanatic⭐ ExpertOP2mo
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I'm looking at buying this flooring business in the greater Atlanta area, it's $500k purchase with $850k revenue and $200k SDE, owner plus two employees doing installs on luxury vinyl plank with contractors, got a warehouse, showroom leased, two trucks, and forklifts. Owner handles all the sales, measuring, and bids himself, and the town's construction is booming right now. But I'm pissed thinking about taking over and dealing with these guys who might not know their ass from a SharkBite fitting when it comes to transitions on LVP. Someone in the Flooring Professionals Facebook group said check the employee turnover history first. Saw a similar thread on r/Flooring about a bad buyout that tanked because of lazy crews. Good deal or nah? What questions should I hit the owner with on managing these installers?
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WireWizard2⚒️ Journeyman2mo
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don't buy without seeing their last three safety incidents on LVP cuts - one bad blade slip and you're liable for workers comp hell.
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LadderLad6⚒️ Journeyman2mo
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exactly, had a guy lose a fingertip to a cheap Diablo blade last year.
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KeyMasterKev3⚒️ Journeyman2mo
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yeah, insist on seeing the incident reports.
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DuctTapeDave2⚒️ Journeyman2mo
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and check if they use proper knee pads, saves on long-term back claims.
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SparkPlugSue6⚒️ Journeyman2mo
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ask for the employee handbook on LVP install protocols, if they don't have one, walk away.
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ScrubLord⚒️ Journeyman2mo
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PE firms are snapping up flooring ops like this, but they gut the staff and start over - your $200k SDE vanishes.
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VentMaster99⚒️ Journeyman2mo
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fuck PE, they turned my buddy's carpet biz into a sweatshop.
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MopAndGloGuy2⚒️ Journeyman2mo
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this boom is fake, election year means rates spike and jobs dry up on tile and LVP alike.
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WattTheHeck25⚒️ Journeyman2mo
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install crews here are the worst, half the time they show up hungover and mess up the acclimation.
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KeyMaster⭐ Expert2mo
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SharkBite style push-fits for subfloor repairs are a joke, better train them on real PEX alternatives.
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PipeLord42025⚒️ Journeyman2mo
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same, my LVP guys cant even scribe a straight edge without supervision.
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ShockJockElec⚒️ Journeyman2mo
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watched that Tommy Mello vid on scaling crews, he says document every screw-up or you're screwed in court.
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MoveMaster2⚒️ Journeyman2mo
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Tommy's right, got me out of a bind with a bad herringbone job.
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ConduitCrafter⭐ Expert2mo
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bro, we all feel that frustration with installers who treat LVP like its carpet.
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GutterGuru4⚒️ Journeyman2mo
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union tile guys are pushing non-union flooring crews out, good luck finding reliable help.
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FloorFixer2⚒️ Journeyman2mo
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in atlanta? ask about humidity control in the warehouse, warps LVP faster than anything.
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HueHustler5⚒️ Journeyman2mo
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document performance metrics like planks per hour, fire the bottom 20% yearly.
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CanvasKing2⚒️ Journeyman2mo
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works for me, upped my efficiency 15% on hardwood jobs.
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RoofRat872⚒️ Journeyman2mo
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lmao, my last crew thought acclimating LVP meant letting it sit in the truck overnight.
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PaintSplat⭐ Expert2mo
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how many of your potential employees are certified in Coretec or Shaw installs?
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ChillTech⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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goddamn clients expect perfection but pay peanuts, then blame us for crew issues.
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HeatPumpHero2⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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been there, lost a $10k job cuz one guy skipped underlayment on vinyl.
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DuctDoctor4⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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check their glue-up ratios for perimeter installs, skimping there leads to callbacks.
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BugBusterJoe⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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had a crew that way, trained em on Festool tools and they still botched seams.
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CanvasKing⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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non-union vs union debate is real, but for LVP speed trumps certs every time.
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FixItFelix6⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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you hiring seasonal or full-time for the atlanta boom?
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GreenThumbGuru3⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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these boom-bust cycles screw over small flooring ops every time.
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PipeLord42019⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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watch for poaching, big box stores steal good installers mid-season.
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NotAnElectrician17⭐ Expert1mo
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we're all pissed at how Home Depot undercuts with cheap LVP crews.
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ChillTechChris⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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yep, their installs look like shit after a year.
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LeakHunter5⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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same boat, my guys vanish when concrete jobs get dusty.
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GroundFaultGuru⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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set up a quick 10-minute huddle before each job to go over the dust plan and who's on cleanup. worked wonders for my crew on those messy concrete pours.
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PolishPro5⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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huddles are for amateurs, i just fire the sloppy installers on the spot and hire guys who actually give a damn about the job.
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JackOfAllTrades⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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set up a quick daily checklist for LVP installs - stuff like checking subfloor levelness with a 4' straightedge before glue-down and ensuring 1/4" expansion gaps at walls. that way you catch issues before they turn into callbacks, and it keeps the guys accountable without micromanaging every step. i've used this on my crews and cut down on botched jobs by half.
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PipeLord42012⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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man, i feel that - had to fire two guys last month for half-assing a LVP install and leaving gaps wider than my thumb. sucks when you gotta keep churning through 'em just to find ones who dont cut corners.
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FlushKing⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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that huddle sounds smart, but how do you keep the guys from zoning out after the first job of the day? ive had crews promise to handle dust right then half-ass it by lunch. whats your go-to way to follow up and make sure they stick to it? gonna try it on my next install.
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RoofRat6⭐ Expert1mo
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don't skip those huddles, i ignored one once and my crew left sawdust everywhere on a custom roof job, cost me $800 in callbacks to fix the mess. keeps things from turning into a total crap-show every time.
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TenYearVet11🔧 Apprentice1mo
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set a hard rule: no leaving the job site without a quick walk-through, caught a LVP install last month where they missed locking the tongue on three rows and it buckled under foot traffic. use a cheap laser level like the dewalt dw088 to double-check flats before glue-up, saves callbacks every time.
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BrushStrokeBen⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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set clear KPIs for undercut accuracy on LVP, pays off big.
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BugHunter⭐ Expert1mo
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fuck the whole industry right now with labor shortages on every flooring gig.
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MopMasterMax⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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same shit here man, these new guys cant even lay LVP straight without me babysitting every inch.
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BugBusterBob3⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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man, babysittin every damn inch is the worst part of havin newbies on the crew. feels like i cant get a full days work done without fixin their messes.
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CircuitSavant3⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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dont let those newbies near the subfloor without you checkin it first, i seen one rushed job where uneven spots led to the whole lvp buckling underfoot just months later.
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LeakMaster99⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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goddamn new hires are the worst, they're fresh outta some trade school and think they know it all but cant even click tongue-and-groove without gapping the whole row. these kids got no work ethic, just scrolling tiktok between cuts while the job turns into a crap-show. we gotta stop hiring whoever applies and start actually training em or we're all screwed. same BS in flooring as everywhere else in this trade.
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TarpTitan3⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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man, same shit here with my new flooring crew, they cant even snap a plank straight without turnin the job into a mess. these kids gotta be babysat every step or we all pay for it.
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RoachRanger⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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those damn kids fresh out of high school think theyre flooring pros after watchin one youtube video, ruinin my rep and my profit margins every single time.
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GreenThumbGuru3⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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try running a quick mock install on scrap pieces before every job, it catches their sloppy snaps early and saves your ass from callbacks.
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PestPatrolPaul⭐ Expert1mo
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mock installs are for amateurs, just fire the clowns who cant snap lvp straight and hire guys who actually give a damn.
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VentMaster993⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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those trade school kids are the WORST, comin out thinkin they're pros but leavin gaps bigger than my ex's excuses. we gotta blame the damn schools for pumpin out half-assed help instead of real workers, it's ruinin the whole industry.
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GreenThumbGuy2⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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man, the labor shortage is screwing every flooring job ive run lately, cant find guys who dont botch the LVP cuts. been there with my crew too, its a damn nightmare.
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HammerHead⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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damn right, these half-assed installers are ruining the whole flooring game, cant even cut LVP straight without turning it into a jagged mess.