Subcontracting LVP installs to keep up with demand? Tired of the BS
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RollerRogue8
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RollerRogue8⚒️ JourneymanOP4mo
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Man, I've been running my flooring crew ragged trying to keep up with all these vinyl plank jobs, and subcontracting out some of the installs is starting to feel like the only way to not burn out the guys. Last week we had three kitchens and a whole basement in LVP going, using that Coretec stuff which clicks together nice but still takes time to acclimate and level everything perfect. I reached out to a couple subs through the Flooring Contractors Network group, but half of them ghosted me after quoting, and the ones who showed up had crap tools, like beat-up old knee pushers that slowed everything down. It's frustrating when you're trying to grow but these unreliable subs make it a crapshoot. Anyone else dealing with this in flooring? Saw a similar rant on r/Flooring about subbing out carpet jobs. Watched this Tommy Mello video where he talked about vetting subs better, might have to try that. Edit: just had another no-show today, FML.
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DustBunnyHunter8⚒️ Journeyman4mo
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Subs in flooring are the WORST, always flaking on LVP jobs and leaving you holding the bag with pissed clients.
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SawdustSavant11⭐ Expert4mo
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Tell me about it, had one sub botch a whole room last month, had to rip it up myself.
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ACAvenger⚒️ Journeyman4mo
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Yeah, it's like they think flooring is easy money, no respect for the prep work. Subbed out a tile job once, never again.
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CircuitSavage⭐ Expert4mo
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Prep is 80% of the job, these clowns don't get it. Stick to in-house if you can afford it.
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CircuitSavage⭐ Expert4mo
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Same here, brother. The unreliability is killing my schedule.
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FlashingFiend⚒️ Journeyman4mo
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Feels like every sub I try is the same story.
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FlashingFiend⚒️ Journeyman3mo
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Try using Jobber to track subs better, helps weed out the flakes.
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LockPickLarry8⚒️ Journeyman3mo
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Hired a sub for epoxy floors once, guy showed up in flip flops, hilarious but disaster.
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DuctDoctor5⚒️ Journeyman3mo
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Fuck these subs, they're ruining the trade. Demand better or go solo.
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ShingleShark10⚒️ Journeyman3mo
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Subcontracting sucks when they don't show, but sometimes it's the only way to scale LVP installs.
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DuctTapeDuke⚒️ Journeyman3mo
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Scale yeah, but at what cost to quality?
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SodSlinger⚒️ Journeyman3mo
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Quality always takes a hit with subs, IMO.
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OpenerOperator3⚒️ Journeyman3mo
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Not always, if you vet them right. But yeah, rare.
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SodSlinger⚒️ Journeyman3mo
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Man, I feel your pain on the ghosting.
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OpenerOperator3⚒️ Journeyman3mo
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Check references hard before subcontracting any flooring work.
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HammerTimeHero3⚒️ Journeyman3mo
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The brick undercut on that sub job pic in r/Flooring was wild, don't let subs do that.
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SawdustSavant28⚒️ Journeyman3mo
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Haha yeah, scribing it freehand? Amateur hour.
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SawdustSavant28⚒️ Journeyman3mo
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PE firms buying up flooring companies and forcing bad subs on everyone, rage inducing.
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PeakPerformer2🔧 Apprentice3mo
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We've all been screwed by a bad sub at some point.
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CoilCooler2⚒️ Journeyman3mo
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These vinyl plank subs think they can half-ass it and get paid, pisses me off.
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SparkSafety⚒️ Journeyman3mo
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Document everything with subs to cover your ass.
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RustyNailBob⚒️ Journeyman3mo
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Contracts are key, learned that the hard way on a hardwood refinish.
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RustyNailBob⚒️ Journeyman3mo
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Yeah, same struggle keeping up with LVP demand without reliable help.
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PipeLord42012⚒️ Journeyman3mo
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Demand is booming but subs can't keep up.
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PipeLord42012⚒️ Journeyman3mo
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Flooring pros on Instagram like Flooring Guy have tips on managing subs.
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PolishPro4⚒️ Journeyman3mo
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Build a small network of trusted subs over time.
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JointJockey⚒️ Journeyman3mo
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I say screw subs, train your own crew for plank installs.
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JoistJockey5⚒️ Journeyman3mo
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Man, that burnout from overbooking is real.
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WireWizard10⚒️ Journeyman3mo
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Hate when subs bring subpar tools to a Coretec job.
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SparkJockey⚒️ Journeyman3mo
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Referral from Flooring Professionals group saved me once, otherwise all flakes.
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MoveItMuscle⚒️ Journeyman3mo
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Lol, my sub for carpet once installed it backwards, client laughed but I cried.
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CircuitClown⭐ Expert3mo
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Subs are a necessary evil in flooring, just vet like hell.
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SparkPlugSue5⚒️ Journeyman3mo
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Yeah, the no-shows are the worst part.
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Insul8r⚒️ Journeyman3mo
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Don't trust subs with luxury vinyl, too finicky.
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AmpedApprentice5⚒️ Journeyman3mo
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How do you even find decent subs for LVP?
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VentMaster3⚒️ Journeyman3mo
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Use Housecall Pro for subcontracting, tracks payments and shows.
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SprayAndPray⚒️ Journeyman3mo
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Never sub out without a solid contract, or you'll get burned.
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SpotlessSteve7⚒️ Journeyman2mo
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Burned bad on a tile sub job last year.
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SpotlessSteve7⚒️ Journeyman2mo
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Totally get the frustration with unreliable subs.
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ShingleShuffler4⚒️ Journeyman2mo
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These PE-backed outfits are flooding the market with crap subs, it's BS.
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SparkJockey2⭐ Expert2mo
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FLOORING SUBS SUCK, there I said it.
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SawdustSavant4⭐ Expert2mo
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Haha, imagine subbing out and they use the wrong underlayment.
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PolishPro⚒️ Journeyman2mo
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How much acclimation time do you give for Coretec? Asking for sub tips.
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RustyWrench⚒️ Journeyman2mo
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Sub for a herringbone pattern once, turned into a nightmare.
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LeakHunter2⚒️ Journeyman2mo
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Build your own sub list from local installers.
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TileTerror5⚒️ Journeyman2mo
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Man, I've been there with the burnout.
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GreenThumbGuy2⚒️ Journeyman2mo
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Watch out for subs who cut corners on leveling.
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KeyMasterKev2⚒️ Journeyman2mo
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Leveling is everything in plank flooring.
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KeyMasterKev2⚒️ Journeyman2mo
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Subs ghosting is par for the course, sucks.
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HueHustler2⚒️ Journeyman2mo
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The big boys like Home Depot subs are even worse, all volume no quality.
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DuctDoctor10⚒️ Journeyman2mo
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Proud of my crew, we don't need subs anymore after years of building.
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VoltageVagabond2⭐ Expert2mo
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Feel that, subcontracting drama is endless.
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WeedWhacker3⭐ Expert2mo
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Lol, my sub showed up with a rented knee kicker that broke mid-job.
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VentMaster2⚒️ Journeyman2mo
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Yeah, same here on the Coretec acclimation issues with subs.
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WrenchWizard🔧 Apprentice2mo
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Document every sub interaction, saved me from a lawsuit.
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LeafBlowerBandit2⚒️ Journeyman2mo
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These flaky subs are killing small flooring businesses.
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ChillMaster3⭐ Expert2mo
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Frustrated as hell with sub reliability in vinyl installs.
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PipeLord42028⭐ Expert2mo
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Hit 50 LVP jobs this year without subs, feels good.
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ColorChaos⚒️ Journeyman2mo
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PE is the real villain here, pushing bad subs everywhere.
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PickMaster⚒️ Journeyman2mo
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Warning: always inspect sub work before sign-off.
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PaintSplatterPat3⚒️ Journeyman2mo
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Inspected one and found gaps everywhere.
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PaintSplatterPat3⚒️ Journeyman2mo
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Ghosting subs make scheduling a nightmare.
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DoorOpener99⚒️ Journeyman2mo
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How do you handle sub contracts for plank?
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FramingFool4⚒️ Journeyman2mo
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Haha, sub tried to install LVP over uneven concrete, epic fail.
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DoorJammer4⚒️ Journeyman2mo
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Flooring Contractors Network has some good sub recs if you dig.
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DoorDud⚒️ Journeyman2mo
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Burned out from chasing subs, considering going solo again.
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LawnLad4🔧 Apprentice2mo
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Never sub without a deposit, learned that lesson.
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LeakMaster99⚒️ Journeyman2mo
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Deposits help but flakes still happen.
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LeakMaster99⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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Yeah, the unreliability hits hard.
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ColorCraze3⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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Subs thinking they can skip acclimation, dangerous.
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PeakPitcher⭐ Expert1mo
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How bad are the no-shows in your area?
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VoltageVagabond2⭐ Expert1mo
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Lol, sub van broke down on way to my job, classic.
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GreenThumbGuy⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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Try connecting with subs via r/Flooring threads.
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CircuitClown⭐ Expert1mo
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Man, subcontracting has me second-guessing growth.
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CleanFreak42⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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Totally commiserate, it's a tough spot.
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KeyMasterKev⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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The demand for LVP is insane but subs can't match it.
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KeyMasterKev⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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Yeah, burnout from sub drama is real.
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KeyMasterKev⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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How do you even find decent subs for LVP?
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KeyMasterKev⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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These PE firms are screwing over independent floor guys with their sub networks.