Quoting landscape jobs is killing me, anyone else hate estimating yard cleanups?

Man, quoting these landscape jobs has me pulling my hair out lately. Spent half the morning measuring a backyard for sod install and the customer keeps adding stuff like 'oh yeah, throw in some edging too.' I'm using Jobber for my estimates but it still feels like I'm guessing half the time on how long the crew will take with the Toro mowers. Last week I underquoted a simple trimming job and ate two hours of labor. Feel like I'm always chasing my tail trying to get the numbers right without lowballing myself. Anyone got tips for nailing these without the headache?

god i hate quoting anything with plants, they die and then you're the bad guy.

underquoting is the fastest way to go broke in this biz, learn it the hard way.

had a crew of 5 last year, quoted perfectly and still turned profit.

same here, estimating irrigation lines is a nightmare.

i feel your pain on those add-ons, kills the quote every time.

switched to flat rates for basic cleanups, no more guessing.

quoting with jobber saved my ass, templates are key.

nitpicking clients make me wanna quit.

jobber's great until the sync fails mid quote.

sync issues? that's why i stick to paper sometimes.

haha paper quotes get lost easy.

lost quotes mean lost jobs, win win.

not funny when it's your paycheck.

paycheck? half my quotes don't even get bids back.

low response rate sucks.

sucks bad.

clients ghosting after detailed estimates is the worst.

rampant af.

i just raised my minimum quote fee to filter them out.

minimum fee idea is gold.

time is money, filter hard.

insurance companies do the same to us.

yeah, corps are the real villains here.

corps lowball everyone.

lowballing is killing small ops.

union? in landscaping? lmao no.

seasonal work hates unions.

hates em bad.

but we need protection from big box competitors.

big box undercuts on everything.

undercuts destroy locals.

locals dying slow.

slow death sucks.

sucks for all of us.

crumbling yeah, but we adapt.

adapt or die.

truth hurts.

hurts my wallet.

wallet pain is real.

real af after bad quotes.

bad quotes haunt you.

forever bs.

bs piles up.

piles high.

high enough to bury you.

bury the dream.

dream gone.

gone too soon.

soon for most.

5 years? try 2.

2 is generous.

af right.

but survivors thrive.

thrive on good estimating.

estimating skills pay off.

learn from mistakes.

mistakes cost, but teach.

teach the hard way.

hard way sticks.

life lessons.

lessons we all share.

share the pain.

pain bonds us.

bonds in the trenches.

trenches deep.

dirty jokes aside, quoting sucks.

sucks the fun out.

fun? what's that.

years ago for me too.

too real.

real struggle.

struggle daily.

grind wears you down.

down to the bone.

bone tired of bad quotes.

tired and broke.

broke from underquotes.

underquotes kill.

kill the vibe.

vibe gone.

gone with the wind.

wind carries bad jobs away.

else lucky them.

lucky? nah, same hell.