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Customer Demanding Carrier Replacement for $8000 But Won't Pay for Diagnostic
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ACWhisperer
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ACWhisperer👑 LegendOP6d
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Had a customer call me out for a Carrier Infinity system that's been acting up, superheat all over the place. I quoted $8000 to swap it out with a new Carrier unit since it's out of warranty and the compressor is toast. Now she's haggling over the diagnostic fee and threatening bad reviews if I don't eat the cost. These entitled homeowners are killing me.
SharkBites are trash in HVAC lines, but that's not even the point here. Just bill 'em T&M from the start and let them decide if they want the full quote.
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PestPatrol3⭐ Expert6d
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How do you even explain superheat to these people without them thinking you're upselling?
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BrushStrokePro3🏆 Master6d
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I draw diagrams on my iPad, works half the time.
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SprayGunStan👑 Legend6d
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Diagrams? I just point at the gauges and say 'see this? that's your problem costing you $8000 to fix'.
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HardwoodHero3👑 Legend6d
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Dude, same crap every summer.
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TileTerror⭐ Expert6d
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Insurance companies pull this too, acting like you're the bad guy for charging to diagnose.
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CircuitSurfer5🏆 Master6d
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F these clients, walk away if they won't pay the diag.
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PipeDreamer23⭐ Expert5d
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Don't walk, lien their ass if they stiff you on the callout.
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DrainDragon4⭐ Expert5d
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Happened to me with a Trane unit last month, customer ghosted after the $150 diag.
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WrenchWarrior2🏆 Master5d
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What was the actual superheat reading? Might be worth showing them the numbers to justify the Carrier swap.
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SolderSniper🏆 Master5d
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Yeah, man, that sucks. Been there with pissed off homeowners.
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TenYearVet6👑 Legend5d
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PE firms are buying up HVAC shops and turning us into their bitches with these lowball expectations.
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AmpedApprentice6🏆 Master5d
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Haha, told the guy his Carrier was fine, he insisted on a new Mitsubishi. Charged him double.
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RollerRanger3⭐ Expert5d
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Classic. But seriously, document everything.
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FixItFelix6⭐ Expert5d
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I use Housecall Pro to send the diag invoice right there on site, no excuses.
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VoltageVampire🏆 Master5d
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Pro move.
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FlushMaster500👑 Legend5d
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These clients think we're mechanics, not techs. Rage.
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PipeDreamer19⭐ Expert5d
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Just hit 10 years, and this is why I raised my diag to $200 flat.
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FloorFixer3⭐ Expert4d
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$200? That's rookie numbers, pump it to $250.
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VacuumViking⭐ Expert4d
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Felt this in my soul, brother.
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SawdustSavant2⭐ Expert4d
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Guy in HVAC Techs Network posted the same, ended up small claims.
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KeyMasterKev4⭐ Expert4d
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Walked into a job where the last tech left gauges on the line set, customer blamed me.
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BrushStrokePro14🏆 Master4d
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Use a script: 'Ma'am, diag is $150 non-refundable towards repair.' Repeat as needed.
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AmpedUp2👑 Legend4d
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Solid advice.
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CastIronCrusher2⭐ Expert4d
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Insurance should cover diags for systems this old, but nah.
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LeakHunterJoe⭐ Expert4d
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Happened to my buddy with a Lennox, cost him $5000 in lost time.
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RollerRogue6⭐ Expert4d
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LOL, I once had a customer try to pay with Venmo for a $8000 job. Declined.
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DucttapeKing🏆 Master3d
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I charge $125/hr minimum, no exceptions for whiners.
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RustyNailBob4🏆 Master3d
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Sketchy bosses make it worse, forcing us to comp diags.
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PipeLord42028👑 Legend3d
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Watched Bryan Orr's video on customer communication, still doesn't help with karens.
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PestPatrolPete🏆 Master3d
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Damn, that's brutal. Hang in there.
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TarPaperTitan⭐ Expert3d
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SharkBite fittings in ducts? Hell no, but clients demand cheap fixes.
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BreezeBoss⭐ Expert3d
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Up in Minnesota, we deal with this during heat waves.
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SawdustSavant16🏆 Master3d
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Pro tip: record the call consentually, covers your ass.
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TenYearVet26⭐ Expert3d
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Recordings saved me twice from bogus reviews.
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FrostBiteFred🏆 Master3d
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These clients are why I went solo, no more BS.
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JoltJockey2⭐ Expert3d
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Haha, customer called at 3am for a 'free' look, I charged triple.
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ShingleShuffler3⭐ Expert2d
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Never trust a client who questions the diag fee.
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FumeFighter⭐ Expert2d
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F the homeowners who DIY and blame pros.
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BrushStrokePro13⭐ Expert2d
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I use ServiceTitan, auto-sends invoices, cuts the haggling.
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BugBlaster3⭐ Expert2d
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Buddy in the group had a similar Carrier meltdown.
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FlooringFiasco2🏆 Master2d
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Out here it's constant, especially with zone systems.
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LawnLad420🏆 Master2d
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LOL, told her 'your call, but freezing up again costs more'.
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DucttapeKing🏆 Master2d
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Just ate a $200 diag last week, regret it.
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PipeDreamerPaul⭐ Expert2d
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PE is ruining the industry, forcing cut-rate service.
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GarageGuru7⭐ Expert2d
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Man, that hits home. Solid work calling it out.
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WrenchWizard4⭐ Expert2d
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Try explaining R-410a pressures, eyes glaze over.
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CircuitScreamer👑 Legend1d
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Haha, I fake a phone call to 'check with boss' and upcharge.
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SawdustSavant27🏆 Master1d
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Clients like this make me wanna quit.
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SawdustSavant13⭐ Expert1d
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Document with photos of the frozen coil.
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PipeLord42014⭐ Expert1d
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Yeah, HVAC Techs Network is full of these rants.
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DrainDemon2⭐ Expert1d
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Don't do it, charge upfront next time.
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FixItFelix2⭐ Expert1d
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Same, bro. We all feel it.
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LawnLad420🏆 Master1d
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What script do you use for pushback?
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LockoutLulu⭐ Expert1d
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SharkBites behind walls are fine if soldered right, fight me.
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RoachRanger⭐ Expert1d
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These stories unite us, man.
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BloomBandit⭐ Expert1d
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Raise your rates 20%, weeds out the cheapos.
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CleanFreakPro⭐ Expert23h
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Agreed, collective BS from clients everywhere.
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JackOfAllScrews⭐ Expert21h
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I bill $150 diag, non-negotiable.
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SlateSlinger3🏆 Master18h
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F the system that lets clients walk on fees.
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KeyMaster5⭐ Expert15h
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Happened with my Trane installs too.
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CastIronKiller🏆 Master13h
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Haha, customer tried to haggle with a coupon from 2015.