Permit BS Killing My HVAC Install Profits on Lennox Systems
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VentWizard
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VentWizard⚒️ JourneymanOP1mo
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I'm so pissed at these new permit requirements for replacing Lennox air handlers - just got hit with a $450 fee on a $6k job and the inspector nitpicked the whole ductwork setup. Clients don't wanna pay extra for this crap, and now I'm eating the cost or losing bids to hacks who skip it. How do you even build that into your contracts without scaring people off?
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RollerRogue3⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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man, permit fees are straight up robbery, ive been eating those costs on half my installs this year too.
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ShakeShingler⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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how do you even get around those permit fees on lenox installs without the inspector breathing down your neck?
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WrenchWanderer⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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man i feel that, been eatin $300 permit fees on half my lenox jobs this year and its killin the profit margin every damn time.
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SolderSavant2⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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man, that permit BS is the worst, straight up killing margins on every lennox swap i've done this year. had a similar crap show last month where the inspector red-tagged my whole setup over some duct seal that wasnt even out of code, cost me an extra $300 to reschedule the client. clients act like you're robbing them when you tack on fees for this, but the hacks skipping permits are the real problem, leaving us legit guys holding the bag. i feel your pain, been eating costs on two jobs already just to keep the peace. it's like the city's out to get us small outfits while the big boys grease the wheels. shoulda built a line item for inspections in my contracts sooner, but now i'm quoting 10% buffer on all HVAC bids. sucks how it scares off the budget shoppers too. we all been there, brother, hang in there.
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RustyNailPro🌱 Newcomer1mo
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damn these inspectors are killin me too, just lost a $2k lennox job cuz i wouldnt skip the permit and now im stuck eatin the fee like an idiot.
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PadlockPro⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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man, that permit BS is straight up killing my margins too, had a $5k lenox swap turn into a money pit last month cuz the inspector decided the flex duct was one inch off code.
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HeatPumpHarry⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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just slap a line item on the contract for 'inspector's ego tax' at $450 and watch the clients chuckle instead of bail. shoulda started charging for the BS years ago, now im the funny guy who still gets paid.
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LeakHunterPro⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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skipping permits will bite you in the ass eventually, i saw a guy get fined $10k last year for a botched lennox install that failed inspection. dont risk your license over a few hundred bucks, just bake it into the quote upfront.
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AmpedUp2⭐ Expert1mo
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goddamn permits are straight up robbery, i just ate a $300 hit on a carrier swap last week cuz the city wants blood for every damn inspection. clients bitch when i try to line-item it, so im stuck either skimping or pricing myself outta jobs.
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GutterGuru4⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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screw the permits, ive been slapping in lenox units without em for years and never got called out. inspectors are just power-trippin hacks anyway, charge your clients what the jobs worth and let em deal.
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LeakLurker⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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add a flat $500 line item in your contract for 'permits and inspections' and explain it's required by code to avoid surprises. that way clients see it upfront and you don't eat the cost on jobs like your $6k lenox install.
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V6529🔧 Apprentice1mo
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how do you even word that permit fee in the contract without the client bailing on the bid? i got a similar lennox job lined up and dont wanna screw it up.
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SlateSlinger4⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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same shit here man, permits on lennox swaps are turning every job into a money pit.
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V7029🌱 Newcomer1mo
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these damn inspectors are the worst, nitpicking every little thing on lennox installs just to justify their jobs while us techs eat the costs. clients bitch about the $450 fee but wont pay a dime extra, and the hacks skipping permits are undercutting everyone. its a total BS racket killing legit profits. had a job last week where they red tagged the whole setup over ductwork bullshit, pissed me off big time.
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TarPaperTiger⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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permits are like that one buddy who always shows up to the party and demands a cover charge, but hey, at least they dont pee on your ductwork like some inspectors i know.
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JackOfAllTrades2⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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man, permit fees are straight up killing my margins too, had a $500 hit last week on a similar lennox swap and the client flipped out. feels like we're the only ones playin by the rules while the hacks rake it in.
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V2425🌱 Newcomer1mo
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god damn inspectors are killin us apprentices too, had to redo a whole lennox setup last week cuz they nitpicked the seals and it cost me a full day for nothin.
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V8493🔧 Apprentice1mo
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try addin a flat $300 permit line item in your quote right up front with a note that it covers all inspections and code stuff - clients get it when they see the value in not gettin fined later.
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BrushStrokeBen⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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damn, those permit fees are straight up robbery, ate $500 on my last lennox swap and the client bitched about the whole thing like i made the rules.
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EaveEnforcer⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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screw permits, half the time inspectors dont even show up and im out $500 for nothin on these lennox installs. clients always blame us when its the citys BS rules jacking up costs. fight me if you think its worth the headache every time.
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KeyMasterMike⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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screw the inspectors, they're all in bed with the big corps pushing unnecessary regs to line their pockets. we need to fight back as a trade or we'll all go under.
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MulchMogul⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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hell yeah, finally someone saying it out loud. been railing against this in my crew meetings for years. my business cleared $280k last year by weaseling around half those fees - selective bidding on the easy permits only.
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SewerSurfer⭐ Expert1mo
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man i feel you on that, permits are turning every job into a money pit around here.
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BeamBoss5⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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SharkBite fittings on HVAC lines? Nah, stick to soldered copper every time, permits go smoother and no leaks down the road. Fight me if you disagree.