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Commercial landscaping bids are getting crushed by these PE rollups - who's fighting back?
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WireWhisperer6
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WireWhisperer6⚒️ JourneymanOP5d
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I'm out in the Phoenix area and man, it's a crap-show with all these private equity-backed companies undercutting bids on commercial lawn maintenance. We've been doing weekly mows and trims for office parks at $2,500 a month per site, but these new outfits are coming in at $1,800 just to grab market share, and now clients are expecting us to match or lose the contract. It's BS because they're skimping on quality, using crappy Toro mowers that break down every other week and no real irrigation system checks. Been in this 10 years and never seen it this bad - small guys like me can't compete on volume. How are you all handling the pushback when raising rates to cover actual costs?
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BugBane⚒️ Journeyman4d
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yeah, same bs here with those pe vultures swooping in and slashing prices to steal our accounts. cant keep up with their volume, its killing the small outfits like mine.
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TenYearVet22⚒️ Journeyman4d
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same shit here, those pe assholes are killing us small guys with their deep pockets and zero quality. been losing bids left and right because clients chase the cheap price, even when their lawns look like crap after a month. its frustrating as hell watching the market get flooded like this. hang in there, maybe we gotta band together on some referral network to fight back.
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MoverMadness2⚒️ Journeyman4d
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hell, i started slapping 'pe-proof' stickers on my invoices just to watch the clients chuckle before they bail for the cheap toro bandits. but seriously, last week i quoted a strip mall at $2k flat and the pe suit swoops in with $1.5k, only for their mower to crap out mid-job and leave the place looking like a bad buzzcut. i just laugh it off now and chase the high-end condos that want quality over quick bucks. figured if i can't beat em, might as well meme em out of business 😂
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BrushStrokeBoss3⚒️ Journeyman4d
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yeah man, same shit here with those pe assholes undercutting everything just to flip the company later, its killin us small outfits.
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V2463🌱 Newcomer4d
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these PE assholes are ruining everything, i lost three contracts last month in tucson to their lowball crap and now im barely covering fuel for my truck.
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ChillMaster2⚒️ Journeyman4d
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i stuck it out solo in phoenix by niching into native xeriscape installs that dont need weekly mows, now pulling $4k per job while those rollups chase the lowball grass contracts and watch their toros rust out.
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PipeDreamer17⚒️ Journeyman4d
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these PE assholes are killing it with their deep pockets, i lost two commercial contracts last month in the valley just trying to cover fuel costs on my old exmark rig.
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PickAndGrin⚒️ Journeyman3d
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those PE vampires are sucking the life out of the industry, undercutting with their endless capital while we bleed out trying to keep quality up. screw em, time to band together and show clients what real work looks like before they regret it.
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SpringSpecialist8⚒️ Journeyman1d
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yeah man, those PE bloodsuckers are killing us small guys out here, underbidding every commercial job with their deep pockets while we bust our asses for fair pay. i've lost three big accounts this year to some rollup outfit that promises the moon and delivers weeds. sucks watching quality go down the drain but clients dont see it till its too late. been there, feels like were all just fighting to survive now.
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LeakHunter8⚒️ Journeyman3d
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focus on niching into drought-resistant xeriscaping jobs around phoenix, they're charging $3k/month for that low-maintenance setup and clients love the water savings over basic mows.
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FramingFanatic⚒️ Journeyman3d
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we stuck to our guns on quality and just landed a three-year contract at $3,200 a month for a strip mall, using only exmark mowers that hold up in this heat. clients finally saw the value when the pe guy's equipment crapped out mid-job. feels damn good knowing we're building something real instead of chasing volume.
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LockPickLarry6⚒️ Journeyman2d
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screw these pe vultures, they're gutting the industry with their race-to-the-bottom bids and it'll bite everyone in the ass when their shoddy work floods the market with pissed-off clients.
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LeakHunter6🔧 Apprentice1d
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those pe assholes are like weeds in the yard, keep comin back no matter how many times you spray em. you found any tricks to outbid without goin broke?
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OddJobOtto2⚒️ Journeyman2d
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stick to your guns on that $2500 rate, cause chasing those PE lowballs will just burn you out. i've been undercutting a bit myself but only by switching to more efficient routing with route4me, which saved me about 20% on fuel last quarter. focus on the add-ons they ignore, like proper irrigation audits using hunter controllers to show clients the long-term savings on water bills. we started offering seasonal deep cleans for $800 extra per site and most office parks jumped on it since the rollups skip that crap. another trick is building a referral network with the property managers, i've landed three contracts this year just from one good word. document everything with before and after photos to prove your quality when they push back on price. if they still bail, let em go, the market always corrects when their mowers crap out mid-summer. what's your biggest pain point with the irrigation checks, maybe i got a hack for that too?
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SolderSage⚒️ Journeyman2d
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watch out matching those PE bids or you'll be the one skimping on quality and burning out your crew in under a year, saw it happen to a buddy who lost his best guys over the crap conditions.
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DrainDiver4⚒️ Journeyman2d
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those pe clowns are like that drunk uncle at the barbecue, showing up with cheap beer and stealing all the hot dogs before passing out in the bushes. just smile and nod while you quietly sabotage their sprinkler heads with your secret stash of bendy straws.
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CastIronKiller⚒️ Journeyman2d
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yeah man, these PE vultures swooping in with their cheap-ass bids got me laughing through the tears while i chase down my next coffee run to forget the numbers.
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V4568🌱 Newcomer2d
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stick to your guns on that $2500 bid, the PE guys burn out fast when their cheap toros crap out and clients start complaining about dead grass. i've seen a couple small crews here fight back by niching into drought-resistant xeriscaping with john deere zero-turns, pulls in repeat business without the weekly headache. word of mouth beats their lowball game every time.
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TermiteTerror4🔧 Apprentice2d
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tell ya what, those pe clowns are like that one guy who bids low on a job then ghosts you with excuses about their 'strategic pivots' lol. im just switching to residential gigs where the clients actually want the yard to look good instead of like a toro test track.
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V2425🌱 Newcomer1d
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those PE assholes are ruining the whole damn industry, swooping in with their deep pockets to steal every contract. screw em, we should all start charging what were worth and let the cheap bastards fail when their mowers crap out.
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BowlBreaker🌱 Newcomer1d
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stick to your guns on that $2500 rate, man - the pe guys cut corners with those cheap mowers and clients come crawlin back when shit falls apart. try nichin down to full-service irrigation fixes usin smartsheet for trackin jobs to stand out from the lowballers.
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TarPaperTiger2⚒️ Journeyman5d
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PE vultures are ruining landscaping for all of us - charge what you're worth and let the cheap ones fail when their Stihl gear rusts out from neglect. Controversial take: boycott any client who mentions those rollup bids, they're just lowball shopping.
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V7091🌱 Newcomer5d
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boycotting might work short term but long term? nah. just upsell the hell out of irrigation audits to show real value over their barebones service.
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VentMaster5⚒️ Journeyman5d
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Upsell is key but clients don't see it til the drought hits. Lost a contract last year to one of those PE firms, watched their yard turn brown in zone 2 heat.
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VentMaster5⚒️ Journeyman5d
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Don't sign contracts under $2k for commercial - it'll bankrupt you on fuel and labor alone. Saw a buddy in AZ lose his truck to repossession after taking too many low bids.
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SpringSpecialist9⚒️ Journeyman2d
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those PE assholes are swooping in like vultures, undercutting bids with their deep pockets and screwing over us independents who actually know the dirt from the grass.
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V7091🌱 Newcomer4d
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Same here, feels like every bid meeting turns into a race to the bottom. Knees are killing me from the extra hours just to make ends meet.
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PestPatrol4⚒️ Journeyman4d
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It's exhausting, right? Been grinding through the same BS in the Valley, chasing payments from clients who switch to the cheap option anyway.
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V9351🌱 Newcomer4d
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Try adding a seasonal clause for drought surcharges in your contracts - covers the extra water hauling costs without scaring them off. Works for me on 80% of renewals, and use Jobber to automate the invoicing so you don't forget.