Subcontracting Nightmare: GCs Screwing Over Plumbers on Big Jobs
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DustDevil3
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DustDevil3⭐ ExpertOP6mo
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Man, I just read this thread on r/Plumbing about what tools changed everyone's plumbing life, and it got me thinking about how subcontracting setups are killing us in the field. We're out here in Texas so the jobs are huge, but these general contractors keep lowballing us on the PEX installs and water heater swaps, then stiff us on payments after we've hauled in the Milwaukee kits and Ridgid snakes. It's BS, they promise steady work on these multi-family builds with SharkBite fittings and Viega presses, but then delay invoices for months while we're sweating over code-compliant rough-ins. Saw a similar rant in the Plumbers United Facebook group last week, guys sharing stories of getting ghosted after finishing the drain lines. Watched a Roger Wakefield video on efficient sub work, but it doesn't help when the GC vanishes with the check. Who's got tips for locking in better contracts?
I'm up in Minnesota and these GCs think they can pay plumbers last after everyone's done.
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WrenchWarrior2⚒️ Journeyman6mo
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It's a racket, man. They front-load the electrical and framing.
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LockPickLarry9⚒️ Journeyman6mo
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Out here in Arizona the heat makes it worse, waiting on payments while AC bills pile up.
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DeadboltDave⭐ Expert6mo
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Yup, been there with a stalled water line job.
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BrushStrokePro11⚒️ Journeyman6mo
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File a mechanics lien ASAP, that's what saved my ass on a similar sub gig with PEX runs.
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WeedWhacker⚒️ Journeyman6mo
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GCs in Georgia here treat subs like dirt.
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ShingleShuffler5⚒️ Journeyman6mo
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Pacific Northwest, so yeah the rain is real, but the payment delays are worse.
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JoltJester2⭐ Expert6mo
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Haha, rain or shine, they screw you.
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HammerTimeHank2⚒️ Journeyman6mo
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True, had to chase one for 3 months on a tankless install.
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BoxHauler3⭐ Expert6mo
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I'm down in Louisiana, and it's the same crap with every commercial plumbing sub.
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BoltBoss2⭐ Expert6mo
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These big GCs use subs like disposable tools.
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WeedWhacker4⚒️ Journeyman6mo
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Exactly, throw us away after the rough-in.
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LawnLad⚒️ Journeyman6mo
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Working out of Nashville, GCs promise the world then pay in IOUs.
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RollinRoller⚒️ Journeyman6mo
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Happened to me on a multi-unit sewer line job.
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CircuitSurfer4⚒️ Journeyman6mo
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Subs get the short end every time.
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PipeLord42028⭐ Expert6mo
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Jersey contractor here, been doing this 20 years, and GCs still try to pull that.
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NotAnElectrician11⭐ Expert6mo
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I work mostly in rural Ohio, small jobs but same payment BS from GCs.
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HammerTimeGuy6⭐ Expert6mo
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South Florida, everything rusts including these deals.
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AntAnnihilator⭐ Expert6mo
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We're right on the Gulf, humidity makes waiting hell.
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ShingleShuffler⭐ Expert6mo
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GCs don't care about our timelines.
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ZapMaster2⚒️ Journeyman6mo
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They just laugh it off.
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WeedWhacker⚒️ Journeyman6mo
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Pisses me off every project.
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AntAnnihilator4⚒️ Journeyman6mo
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I cover the Dallas-Fort Worth area, and it's nonstop sub headaches.
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SpringSpecialist3⭐ Expert6mo
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Pennsylvania, old houses everywhere, but GCs make new builds a nightmare.
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RustyNailBob4⚒️ Journeyman6mo
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I'm in the Carolinas, GCs lowball on fixture installs then ghost.
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JointJockey2⚒️ Journeyman6mo
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Central California, mostly ag and ranch work, but commercial subs suck.
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FixItFelix8⭐ Expert6mo
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I'm in the panhandle, wind or no wind, payments blow.
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ToolTitan⚒️ Journeyman6mo
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Upstate New York winters hit different, and so do GC delays.
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PestBuster99⚒️ Journeyman6mo
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Phoenix area, slow season doesn't really exist but payments do.
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ShingleShark3⚒️ Journeyman6mo
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Out in rural Kentucky, GCs treat us like beginners.
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SparkPlugger⚒️ Journeyman6mo
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I'm based in the Pacific Northwest, rain delays and payment delays.
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SawdustSavant24⚒️ Journeyman6mo
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Double whammy.
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RoofRat⭐ Expert6mo
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Working in the Houston suburbs, oil money but no sub pay.
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JoistJockey5⚒️ Journeyman6mo
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I'm in western Michigan, GCs freeze us out.
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OpenerOperator6⚒️ Journeyman6mo
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Literally, with the weather.
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SudsAndScrub⚒️ Journeyman6mo
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Been doing this in Virginia for 15 years, same old story.
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GarageGuru7⚒️ Journeyman6mo
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Out in New Mexico, desert dry but deals are wet.
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WireWizard8⚒️ Journeyman6mo
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I cover most of eastern Tennessee, GCs mountain high egos.
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PanelPusher2⚒️ Journeyman6mo
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Oregon coast, everything rots faster out here including contracts.
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CanvasCowboy⚒️ Journeyman6mo
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I'm in the DC area, bureaucracy on top of GC BS.
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VentMaster⚒️ Journeyman6mo
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Working out of San Antonio, heat and headaches.
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GarageGuru8⚒️ Journeyman6mo
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Nebraska, not a lot of competition which is nice, but GCs still suck.
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PestPatrol⚒️ Journeyman6mo
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I'm in western Pennsylvania, coal country attitudes.
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ShingleShuffler3⚒️ Journeyman6mo
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Southern Ohio here, hills and payment hills.
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NotAnElectrician14⚒️ Journeyman6mo
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Idaho, mostly residential, but sub commercial is rough.
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KeyMaster5⚒️ Journeyman6mo
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GCs don't differentiate.
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CanvasKid⚒️ Journeyman6mo
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They lump us all in.
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MoveItMuscle3⚒️ Journeyman6mo
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Frustrating as hell.
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ChillMasterHV⭐ Expert6mo
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I work the Tampa Bay area, bay waters rise but payments don't.
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AmpedUp⚒️ Journeyman6mo
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Based out of Kansas City, BBQ good, deals bad.
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VentMaster992⚒️ Journeyman6mo
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I'm in north Georgia, mountains of excuses from GCs.
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OpenerOperator⚒️ Journeyman6mo
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Central Texas, drought is making everything worse including cash flow.
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OddJobOtto⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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I'm up in Maine, cold waits for no one.
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ACAvenger4⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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Working in suburban Maryland, traffic and delays.
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FittingFiend3⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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Been in Las Vegas for 12 years, slots pay better than GCs.
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FumeFighter⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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Haha, true that.
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RollerRogue7⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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Slots at least give odds.
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ChillMaster8⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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I do mostly commercial in downtown Chicago, wind city blows hot air.
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DrainDiverDan⭐ Expert5mo
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Rural Arkansas here, backwoods BS from city GCs.
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GreenThumbGuru5⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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I work the Raleigh-Durham market, tech boom but plumber doom.
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PaintSplatterPat4⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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Out in the high desert of New Mexico, dry runs on pay.
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WattTheHeck28⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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I'm in the Ozarks, twisty roads and twisty deals.
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PestPatrolPete2⭐ Expert5mo
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Working in coastal Virginia, tides in, money out.
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LiftLord⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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I cover the greater Atlanta area, traffic jams and payment jams.
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LeakMaster99⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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I'm in western Colorado, high altitude low payments.
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BrushMaster⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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Been doing this in Oklahoma my whole life, tornadoes of trouble.
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LeakLocator2⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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Proud of the times I got paid on time, rare as hen's teeth.
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WipeOutPro⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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What contract templates do you use for subs?
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DrainDiverDan⭐ Expert5mo
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Customer called mid-job, thought the sub was a snake in the drain.
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ColorBlindPainter⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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GCs are the real snakes, always slithering out of payments while we bust our asses on their deadlines. screw subcontracting big jobs unless you got a ironclad contract with daily draws, or you'll end up chasing pennies.
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SawdustSavant18⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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Finally locked in a good GC rate, $150/hr flat.
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SawdustSavant3⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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I'm down in Louisiana and these GCs think they own us.
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BugHunterPro2⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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GCs down here treat us plumbers like their personal ATM, always shorting the bill after we bust our asses on their 'big' jobs. i tell ya, next time im charging em a 'screw you' surcharge just to watch their faces turn purple 😂.
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HaulHero3⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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Don't sign without 50% upfront.
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FrameForge2⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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Out here in Arizona the subs union up or get screwed.
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SawdustSavant4⭐ Expert5mo
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SharkBites for subs only, fight me.
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V9706🔧 Apprentice5mo
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stick to Viega propress fittings for big jobs, they hold up way better than sharkbites under pressure and gcs wont call you out on em.
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CanvasKing2⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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viega propress is solid, but pair it with their purepress tool to avoid any callback BS on those big jobs. makes the crimp dead on every time and inspectors dont hassle you. saved my ass on a $15k commercial re-pipe last month.
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TarpTitan2⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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Guy in Plumbers United said the same.
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FlushKing⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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same shit here, got stiffed on a $15k job last summer by some GC who vanished after the punchlist. had to eat the cost and chase liens for months, total BS. plumbers united is full of these stories, makes you wanna go solo on everything. been there, man, it sucks.
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SpotlessSteve9⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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Humor in the pain, right?
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RootRanger⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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We chase, they cash in.
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CanvasKid⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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get everything in writing with a solid contract from the start, like milestone payments at 30%, 60%, and 90% completion to keep those GCs honest.