Warning: $2M roofing co with 15% profit, but is it licensed right?
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CanvasKid
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CanvasKid⚒️ JourneymanOP1mo
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Hey all, eyeing a buyout on this roofing outfit pulling $2-3M a year, mostly from a couple big HOA and commercial shingle jobs using GAF materials. Seller's bragging 15% profit but I gotta make sure their licenses and certs are solid - don't wanna get burned on OSHA roofing certs or state contractor licenses that lapsed. Anyone got red flags to watch for in due diligence?
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ChillMasterHV⭐ Expert1mo
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Nailed a similar deal last year, 18% margins after we cleaned up the books.
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DustBunnyBoss2⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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same here man, buying that company changed everything for the better.
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DirtBagLandscaper3⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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felt that, been in your shoes with the uncertainty.
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CanvasCrusader⭐ Expert1mo
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Check their workers comp history on roofing crews, I had one that hid claims and it bit me.
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BoxHauler4⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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Verify the roofing contractor license renewal dates with the state board.
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TenYearVet6⭐ Expert1mo
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Ask for proof of NRCA certification too, makes a big difference in bids.
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WireWizard12⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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Look at their bond amounts, should be at least 10k for roofing ops.
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BenderBuddy⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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Pull insurance certificates going back 5 years, no gaps.
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WrenchWarrior⭐ Expert1mo
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Yeah, and cross check with DOT for any vehicle violations on roof hauls.
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LockPickLarry3⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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Labor market sucks right now, takes 2-3 months to line up reliable shingle crews.
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RoachRidder⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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Market's hot for large HOA roofs, but subs flake in winter.
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NotAnElectrician23⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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For snow areas, they push sales in summer for fall installs, winter is estimating season.
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EaveEater2⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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Large projects book 6-9 months out, don't let them take long breaks.
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CoolantKing⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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Subs come back if you pay on time, otherwise ghost.
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SlateSlinger5⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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Everyone bitches about seasonality in roofing.
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TintTitan⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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Insurance companies are screwing us with higher premiums every year.
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RollerRogue4⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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PE firms buying up roofing cos left and right, killing the little guys.
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WireWhiz2⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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Just laughed at a crew trying to slate a roof drunk, total crap-show.
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DirtBagLandscaper⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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Man, that acquisition stress is real, hang in there.
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DrainDiver7⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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Been there, the what-ifs keep you up at night.
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SparkPlugSue4⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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Sub labor is a nightmare, hard to find guys who show for flat roof jobs.
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LiftMaster⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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Took me 4 months last time, and half bailed mid-project.
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GarageGuruGus⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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These big revenue roofers with few clients? Risky as hell if one walks.
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FlangeFanatic⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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Yeah, 30% from two customers is a red flag, diversify or die.
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RoofRat887⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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Sorry dude, sounds like a headache waiting to happen.
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SodSoldier⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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Empathize, my last buy was a mess too.
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WireWizardWalt⭐ Expert1mo
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Ask about their safety record, roofing falls are no joke.
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NewbieNailBanger⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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What kinda margins are you aiming for post-buy?
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VentMaster5⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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Check for any liens on past shingle supply accounts.
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LockPickLarry3⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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And audit the payroll for off-book laborers.
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SpraySquad2⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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We hit 20% after streamlining cert renewals.
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WattTheHeck16⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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Don't do the deal without a full audit, saved my ass once.
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FrostBiteFred⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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State boards are the worst, dragging their feet on roofing licenses.
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RollerRanger8⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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Question their sub contracts, make sure they have hold-harmless clauses.
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BugBlaster4⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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Verify GAF master elite status, it's gold for credibility.
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NailBender⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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Ask how they handle winter downtime, do they pivot to gutters?
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RodentRider2⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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Large projects in snow zones get bid in winter for spring start.
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AmpedApprentice2⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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Labor shortage means paying 20% more for skilled roofers now.
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ShingleShark15⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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yeah man, i just bumped my wages up 25% to keep my crew from jumpin ship, its killin my margins.
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WeedWhackerPro⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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man, i bumped my crew's pay 30% last month just to stop the poachin and now im wonderin if my hammer's gonna end up pawned for beer money, same boat brother 😂
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NotAnElectrician23⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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damn, that 25% bump hits the margins like a ton of bricks, been there with my crew threatenin to bail last summer. its a crapshoot keepin good hands without goin broke.
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DeckDoctor⭐ Expert1mo
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damn labor costs are killing us all, and these big roofing outfits still pull 15% while we're scraping by on 8% 'cause we actually follow the licensing rules.
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HammerTimePro2⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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those big roofing outfits are straight up screwing us small guys by dodging licenses and undercutting with cheap labor, while we pay through the nose to stay legit.
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HammerHead⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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screw that, those 2M outfits are pullin 15% by skippin licenses and undercuttin everyone with illegal crews, dont buy the bs theyre legit.
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HammerTimeHank⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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dont touch those shady crews, i saw one get shut down last year and the owner got hit with $50k in fines plus lost his bond. save yourself the headache and stick to legit ops.
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GarageGuruGary⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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yeah man, i lost a whole week chasing payment from a similar shady outfit last summer, total bs.
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GreenThumbGuru2⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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those shady crews are everywhere, bidding 30% under me and undercutting the whole damn market. lost a $15k job last month to one of em, and now the homeowners pissed cause the roof leaked after two weeks.
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KeyKeeper99⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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those shady crews are screwing the whole industry, undercutting legit guys like us with their BS shortcuts and zero insurance. then the PE vultures swoop in buying up the scraps for cheap, leaving us to clean up their messes. its infuriating how they get away with it until the fines hit, but by then were all paying the price.
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SawdustSavant9⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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those PE assholes are circling like sharks, buying up these shady ops for peanuts then jacking rates on us legit guys to cover their crap. its a damn racket thats screwing the whole trade.
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FilterFanatic⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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those big boys are screwing us all by dodging licenses and underbidding with cheap undocumented labor while we pay through the nose for workers comp and real insurance. pe vultures are gobbling up the compliant ones and turning em into churn machines, leavin the rest of us in the dust with our 8% scraps. it's BS how they pull 15% on $2m rev without even a proper state cert in half the sunbelt markets. we gotta band together and call out these shady outfits before they tank the whole industry.
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FlushMaster4⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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those PE assholes are RUINING everything, swooping in to buy up legit shops like mine in texas and turning them into sweatshops that undercut us honest guys with their no-license BS.
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BrushStrokeBen⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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try reportin' these shady outfits to your state's contractors board with specifics like job sites and underbiddin' evidence, i've seen a few get hit with fines that leveled the playin' field for a bit.
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JointJuggler⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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man, ive been dealin with those undercuttin bastards for years, theyre killin legit shops like mine. reportin em helps a little, but damn its exhaustin fightin the same fight over and over.
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WeedWhacker3⭐ Expert1mo
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so how do you even tell if those big outfits are licensed without gettin sued for askin? we got a few shady ones around here pullin the same crap.
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WattTheHeck5⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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Seen too many deals tank over hidden OSHA fines.
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KeyMasterKate⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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How's the seller financing it? That's key.
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WattTheHeck16⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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seller financing sounds like a total crapshoot, especially if they're skimmin on licenses to hit that 15% margin. i've seen deals like this blow up when the state comes knockin and you're left holdin the bag.
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DirtBagLandscaper6⭐ Expert1mo
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built my landscaping outfit from scratch to 20% margins without skimmin on licenses, and it's worth every damn penny when the big checks roll in steady.
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ChillMaster⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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Customer called mid-storm wanting a free roof check, hilarious.
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JackOfAllTrades4⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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Don't skip the environmental certs for asphalt shingle waste.
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SparkPlugStan2⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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ha, $2m revenue but youre out there hauling shingles like a landfill ninja, dodging those certs until the EPA shows up with the fines. my trucks been my biggest eco-headache since that one job in the rain turned the whole yard into a swamp.
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SpringBreaker2⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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Insurance hikes are killing roofing margins this year.
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TenYearVet19⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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Ask for 3 years of tax returns, spot the real profit.
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FridgeFixer⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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Man, acquisitions like this fried my brain last time.
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LawnLizard⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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2 million in revenue but 15% profit? sounds like they're too busy buying fancy trucks to check if their license is even valid. i once worked for a guy who thought 'licensed' meant he could just license his dog to watch the job site, ended up chasing leaks for free. if they're getting acquired, bet the pe vultures dont even ask for the paperwork lol.
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V7213⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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pe firms swoop in on these shady outfits with no real licenses and then jack up prices on us legit guys, leaving everyone screwed when the deals fall apart.
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JoltJester2⭐ Expert1mo
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how do these pe firms even spot the shady unlicensed roofers before they swoop in?
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PipeDreamer9🔧 Apprentice1mo
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pe firms dont give a damn about licenses, they just smell the cheap hail damage jobs and undercut the real contractors with their fat wallets.
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FridgeFixer⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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those PE vultures swooped into my area last year, underbidding every legit roofer and now half my hail jobs are goin to them, its bullshit.
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V6946🌱 Newcomer1mo
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man, its the same crap everywhere, these pe vultures picking off the sketchy roofers and then screwing the market for all of us. been on a couple jobs where the last guy wasnt even licensed and now prices are thru the roof cuz of it. feels like legit crews are gettin punished for playin by the rules. total BS.
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ShingleShark7⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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how do these pe firms even spot those shady outfits before they buy em out? i mean, do they just look at the revenue numbers and ignore the license crap? seen a few deals go south around here because of that. whats the worst fallout youve dealt with from one of those?
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ColorCraze3⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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those pe vultures dont give a damn about licenses, they just chase the revenue highs and screw the rest of us with their roll-ups that tank quality overnight. seen a few deals blow up cause the shady outfit's license was bogus, left the new owners fighting lawsuits and pissed-off customers. its all about the quick flip for them, leaving us real roofers to clean up the mess.
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ShingleShark15⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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check your state's contractor board site for license verification before any deal, saves you from inheriting their lawsuits. i use that trick on every potential acquisition, caught two shady ones last year.
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ShingleShark9⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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yeah, pe vultures probably think 'licensed' means the truck's got a fancy wrap that says so, till the leaks hit and theyre chasin dogs instead of deals lol.
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BrushStrokeBoss7⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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PE roll-ups are gobbling small roofers, watch out.
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ShingleSharkSam⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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Yeah, they lowball and strip the value.
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ShingleShark13⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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What questions you got on their crew retention?
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HaulHero2⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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Laughed when my sub fell asleep on a ridge beam.
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SweepSquad2⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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Never buy without checking license bonds, had one lapse and lost a bid.
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NotAnElectrician9⭐ Expert1mo
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Homeowners and HOAs are the real villains here.
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DrainDoctor⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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yeah, homeowners and HOAs are the worst, always nitpicking every damn detail. been dealing with that crap for years, makes you wanna pull your hair out.
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ChillMasterHV⭐ Expert1mo
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next time an hoa starts nitpicking, just flash em a pic of your contractors license and say 'wanna see the state seal? it'll match your picky asses' - diffuses the tension every time.
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DrainDiver2⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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HOAs are the absolute worst, always breathing down your neck over every shingle. been there way too many times, makes you wanna scream.
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BoltBuster3⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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those nitpicking HOAs are the worst, always demanding permits and changes that jack up costs by thousands. had a job last month where they made us redo the entire underlayment because it wasnt exactly to code, even though it passed inspection. makes you wonder why anyone sticks with this crap.
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CanvasKing⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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i run a tight ship on my roofing crew and we hit 18% profit last year without all that hoa drama slowing us down. we build in a 10% buffer for code changes right from the quote, so those nitpickers dont jack us up extra. passed every inspection clean, no redos needed. feels damn good to outpace that 15% while staying licensed and legit.
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HammerTimeHank⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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damn, 18% without the hoa bullshit sounds like a dream around here. my crew's scraping by at 12% cuz every damn inspection turns into a redo nightmare. been there with the nitpickers jacking up costs left and right. feels good hearing someone's actually outpacing that crap.
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RollerRanger2⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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track your gross margins job by job to spot those inspection redoes eating into that 12% - aim for at least 25% gross before overhead on residential roofs. switched to using acculynx for quoting and it cut my redo costs by 30% last year cuz i can flag potential code snags upfront. if you're still on paper or basic quickbooks, that's your first fix.
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NailBiter⭐ Expert1mo
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Tough spot, but if the certs check out, could be solid.
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DirtBagLandscaper6⭐ Expert1mo
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Finding subs takes forever, especially for metal roofs.
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TileTitan2⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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Yeah, and they demand cash upfront now.
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RodentRidder3⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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cash upfront? thats a HUGE red flag, means theyre prolly dodging taxes or worse and gonna skip town after the job. had a buddy get screwed by one of those outfits last year, lost 3k on a half-assed shingle job.
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CircuitSavage⭐ Expert1mo
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yeah, cash upfront screams scam every time. lost a buddy to one of those shady crews last summer, still pissed about it.
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SpotlessSteve6⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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if they're askin for cash upfront without a license check, RUN - i saw a whole crew get busted last year leavin homeowners with half-assed roofs that leaked like sieves.
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FloorFanatic⭐ Expert1mo
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what state were those busted roofers workin in, OP?
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TileTerror5⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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those shady cash-upfront roofers are the WORST, always leaving us legit guys to clean up their messes while they pocket the dough and disappear.
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VentMaster30002🔧 Apprentice1mo
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these shady roofers are everywhere, pulling cash deals and vanishing with your money before the job's even half done. i got burned last summer on a 4k tear-off, they slapped on some cheap iko shingles and bolted. it's all about dodging the license checks and taxes, leavin us legit guys to clean up their crap. pissed me off so bad i started verifyin every contractor's bond before even quotin.
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PinTumblerPro⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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check their license on the state board site first, takes like 5 minutes and saves headaches. if they're askin for full cash upfront, run the other way and get a bonded crew with proof of insurance. i always pull a quick search before quotin to avoid those fly-by-night BS jobs.
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V6085🌱 Newcomer1mo
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dont ever skip that license check, i saw a crew last summer in philly who looked legit but their state board status was suspended for unpaid workers comp claims. they took a deposit from this old lady for a full tear-off and then vanished, left her with a tarp and a $15k hole in her wallet. always verify the bond too, cause without it youre screwed if they botch the job and the insurance company laughs you off. i got burned once as an apprentice on a side gig with some sketchy outfit, spent weeks fixing their crap for free just to make it right. pull the proof of insurance certificate and call the carrier to confirm its active, not some fake pdf they whipped up. these fly-by-nights are everywhere, especially after storms, and theyll leave you holdin the bag. stay safe out there, seriously.
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TenYearVet6⭐ Expert1mo
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Pushed my company to 25% profit by cutting bad subs.
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KeyMasterKate⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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25% is solid, but i hit 32% this year after ditching those crap subs and going all-in on my own crews with gaf materials.
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GreenThumbGuru2⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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that 15% profit sounds good on paper but if they aint licensed right in your state, one pissed-off customer sues and youre lookin at a crap ton of legal fees thatll eat it all up.
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LockPickLarry6⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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check your state's contractor board website for licensing verification; i always pull the records on a $500k job last year and dodged a bullet with a shady outfit.
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RollerRogue8⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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yeah man, got burned once on a roofing gig where the license lapsed for a month and one lawsuit wiped out two years' worth of that slim profit.
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LockoutLulu⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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hell yeah, i once saw a roofing crew get sued cause they skipped the license and the homeowner's leaky attic turned into a full-on water park... complete with floating furniture. the lawyers ate up every dime of that 15% profit faster than my crew devours pizza after a long day. now theyre back to slingin burgers at the drive-thru, callin it a step up from court dates. moral of the story? get licensed or get ready to explain to your spouse why the vacation fund is now the legal fee slush fund. 😂 been there with smaller gigs, wouldnt wish it on my worst enemy. if that $2m company aint squared away, one bad roof and poof... profits gone. makes me chuckle thinkin bout their fancy office turnin into a cardboard box empire.
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AmpedUpJoe⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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Verify all state roofing endorsements, no shortcuts.
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GreenThumbGreg🔧 Apprentice1mo
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these big ass roofing outfits think they can dodge licensing to boost that 'profit' but they're just screwing over us little guys tryin to play by the rules
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TermiteTerror3⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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Check their license status on your state's contractor board site before quoting against them; it'll give you ammo to call out the BS to the homeowner and level the playing field.
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LockPickLarry⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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yeah, i always cross-check on the contractors state license board site first, takes like 2 minutes and saves you from lowball bids that end up costing homeowners double when they have to redo the crap work.
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KeyMasterKev2⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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checking the license board is for suckers, half the $2M roofs i see getting slapped up are by unlicensed crews pulling 25% margins because they dodge the overhead and inspectors dont give a damn.
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SafeCrackerSam⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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yeah man, been watching those unlicensed hacks undercut us left and right while we jump through hoops for peanuts.
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RustyNailBob⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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unlicensed crews like that are a ticking time bomb, one bad storm or inspection and the homeowner's left holding the bag while you're out there fixing their crap for free.
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ChillMaster9⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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man, i fixed a hack job last month from some fly-by-night crew that botched a shingle roof on a ranch in the burbs, and the homeowner was pissed at ME for the $8k bill to square it away. these unlicensed idiots make us all look bad, charging half price and leaving leaks that turn attics into swamps. it's frustrating as hell chasing down their messes while they pocket the cash and vanish. should've seen the rot under there, total crap-show.
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FloorFumbler3⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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those unlicensed hacks are ruining the game for all of us legit roofers, i just lost a $6k tear-off job cause the homeowner got burned by some cheap crew two doors down and now wont trust anyone with a ladder. had to eat the estimate time and gas just to walk away empty handed. its bullshit how they undercut us and leave the real work for us to fix.
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SodSoldier⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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those hacks are like the ex who trashes your place then leaves you to fix the leaks... at least they keep us in business for the cleanup jobs 😂
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TileTerror7⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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those unlicensed clowns are like bad exes, they screw everything up and leave you cleaning up the mess for free. i tell ya, next time i'll just charge em a 'trust restoration fee' to cover my wasted gas. 😂 makes me wanna put up a sign: 'we're licensed, unlike your neighbor's roof'. at least the legit jobs pay enough to laugh about it.
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SlateSlinger4⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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that 15% net on 2M revenue is solid if you're hitting 30% gross margins after materials and labor. run your P&L through something like Acculynx to spot where those unlicensed jobs are killing your overhead.
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GarageGuru6⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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man, ive cleaned up after so many of those unlicensed hacks its ridiculous, always ends up with leaks or half-assed shingles coming loose in the first wind. leaves us legit guys dealing with pissed off homeowners who cant pay what the job really needs. been there too many times this year alone. sucks how it undercuts the whole industry.
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HeatPumpHero2⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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those unlicensed hacks are like the neighbor who mows your lawn for free but leaves half the grass clippings in your pool... undercut city.
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SparkPlugJunkie⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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man, i feel that - had a buddy get undercut by some unlicensed crew last summer who botched a whole neighborhood and left everyone high and dry on warranties. it's a crapshoot out here with these guys charging half and delivering zero. been there trying to clean up their messes, and it aint fun.
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V2683🌱 Newcomer1mo
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those unlicensed hacks are ruining the game for all of us legit guys, lowballing bids with their crap work and leaving us to clean up the mess. pisses me off how they dodge the state boards and screw over homeowners, making us look bad too.
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PipeLord42014⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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yeah man those unlicensed assholes are everywhere, lowballing with their half-assed roofs and then we gotta fix it for peanuts. been screwed by the same crap in my area, makes me wanna quit some days.
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DirtDevil⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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yeah man, same shit here, those lowballing pricks got me fixing their messes for next to nothing last week and i was this close to chuckin it all.
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AmpedApprentice5⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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report those bastards to the state licensing board right away, ive seen it shut down a few crews quick. just gather your proof like photos of the shoddy work and file anonymously if youre worried. keeps the playing field level for us legit outfits.
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MopManiac⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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these unlicensed assholes are killing us all, i swear they undercut every bid and leave homeowners with leaking roofs that we gotta fix for peanuts. last year i lost a $15k job to one of these clowns in the dallas area, and guess who got the pissed off call six months later when it caved in? it's bullshit that the state's so slow to crack down, i've filed three reports myself and only one ever stuck. meanwhile we're out here paying through the nose for insurance and licenses just to play by the rules. if more guys like you step up and report em, maybe we can finally level this crap field.
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FurnitureFlipper⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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hell, if these unlicensed hacks can pull 15% on $2m without a license, maybe us rule-followers should just join em and stop pretending ethics pay the bills. im serious, ive seen more legit roofs leak from cowboy jobs than from anything ive ever done, but who gets the blame? dallas inspectors wouldnt know a code violation if it bit em, so why bother reporting when the state drags its feet. time to fight dirty or get buried, boys.
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V8484🌱 Newcomer1mo
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god these unlicensed hacks are ruining everything, i had to fix a botched shingle job last week that wasnt even up to code and the homeowner blamed me for the delay. its infuriating how they get away with it while us apprentices bust our asses learning the right way.
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FlushKing2⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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called the board on those shady bastards once and the inspector showed up faster than a hailstorm, left 'em scrambling like roaches in the light 😂
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RootRanger⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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those unlicensed bastards are flooding the market with their shoddy work, undercutting us legit crews and turning every hail storm into a cleanup nightmare for the rest of us.
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SparkPlugDummy🔧 Apprentice1mo
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cross-checked one lowball roofer's license and turns out his 'business' was just him and his cousin with a ladder, no wonder the shingles flew off in the first breeze 😂
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HammerTimePro3⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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these unlicensed hacks are screwing the whole industry, undercutting real roofs with their cheap-ass work and leaving us to fix the messes. had a job last week where the homeowners got burned by one of em and now they think all roofers are crooks.
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VentVagabond⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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check their license on the state board website before quoting, itll save you from chasing shadows on these hack jobs. last time i got called to fix one of their messes, the shingles were malarkey and the underlayment wasnt even code compliant. i always pull the contractors license lookup, like in texas its through tdlar and takes two minutes. if theyre unlicensed, tell the homeowner straight up about the risks, like voided insurance claims down the line. ive seen it bite em with a $15k leak repair after a storm. report em to the local building department too, helps clean up the field a bit. dont let these clowns drag your rep down, stick to the pros.
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BugBlaster5🔧 Apprentice1mo
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yeah, in florida its the dbpr site and they list the license number right up top, just punch it in and see if theyre active or suspended before you even step foot on the roof.
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BrushStrokeBoss10🔧 Apprentice1mo
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yeah man, ive been undercut by those shady outfits so many times it aint even funny anymore. gotta check licenses every damn time just to keep up.
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BugHunterPro⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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use the state contractor board website to verify their license number quick, saves you from chasing bad leads half the time.
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RooferRookie🔧 Apprentice1mo
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ha, i checked one of those big boys' licenses last week and it was faker than my ex's excuses. turns out theyre just a van and a dream, no board approval in sight 😂
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LiftAndShift3⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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those fake ass roofing outfits are ruining it for all of us legit guys, charging half what we're worth and leaving homeowners with leaks and lawsuits. screw em, we gotta call out every one we see before they tank the whole industry.
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PipeDreamer14⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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fake licenses are the new mullets of roofing, business in the front, nothin' in the back 😂
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SawdustSoul⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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check their license on the state board site before you sign anything, saves you from their lowball bids turning into headaches down the line.
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WireWizard7⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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been burned by a lowball roofer like that myself, thought i was gettin a deal until the work fell apart and they ghosted. now i always double-check the license on the state site before even quotin. sucks how these big outfits cut corners to hit that 15% margin. feel ya on the headaches, man.
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BugBusterBill⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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man, i've been stiffed by those shady lowball crews too, left with a half-assed job and a fat bill to fix it. its the worst when theyre big enough to look legit but cut every corner for that margin. we gotta stick together on callin out the BS before it hits more folks.
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GarageGuruGary2⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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those lowball crews are like bad dates, show up lookin all fancy with that big company vibe then leave ya broke and needin a real fix. i've chased one down with a pitchfork just to get my sub money, dont try that at home folks 😂
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CanvasCowboy3⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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been there with those lowball crews, left me chasin' my $5k sub fee across three counties last summer.
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PipeDreamer13⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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screw the license check, if they're pulling 15% on $2M revenue in this market they're probably dodging taxes or cutting corners on workers comp to stay afloat, fight me.
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PipeDreamer20⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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those shady $2m outfits cutting corners on licenses are the real cancer in this industry, screwing over legit roofers like us with their BS lowballs and leaving homeowners with leaking messes.
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SawdustSavant29⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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check the state licensing board site first thing, i always verify a roofer's bond and insurance number before quoting against 'em to keep my bids competitive without the hassle.
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AmpedUp4⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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Commercial clients are fickle, one bad storm and they switch.
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FlangeFanatic⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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those storm chasers are ruining it for all of us legit roofers, swooping in after every damn hailstorm with no license and stealing our clients who dont know better.
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PolishedPro⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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Sorry, that 15% sounds low for the risk.
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SweepStakeSue⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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yeah 15% is a damn joke when insurance premiums are skyrocketing and you're one bad storm away from bankruptcy.
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SawdustSavant12⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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We do 22% on shingle re-roofs, beat that.
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PeakProspector3⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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Contractors network was raging about license fees last week.
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TenYearVet6⭐ Expert1mo
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these license fees are straight BS, just jacked up my overhead by 20% this year and now im barely scraping by on jobs that used to pay decent.
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FloorKing99⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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those damn license fees are killing us all, straight up robbery by the state squeezing every last dime outta small ops like ours. jacked my costs 25% last year and now im quoting higher just to break even, while the big boys dodge the rules. screw em, we need to band together and push back before they run everyone outta business.
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NailGunNinja11⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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Ask about their hail damage claim history.
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FaucetFiend2⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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screw hail damage history, that $2m outfit's probably dodging licenses like every other shady roofer out there. if they're pulling 15% profit unlicensed, good for them but don't touch 'em with a 10-foot pole.
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CircuitSurfer3⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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check the state's contractor board database first, takes like five minutes and saves you from their workers comp BS down the line.
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AmpedUpApprentice⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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yeah, got burned once checking a big roofing outfit that skipped licensing, cost me a month chasing their workers comp mess.
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DuctTapeDuke2⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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those big roofing outfits pull that unlicensed BS all the time to dodge workers comp, and we're the ones left holding the bag when shit hits the fan.
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SlateMaster⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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yeah, been burned by one of those unlicensed outfits myself, left me chasin' down payments for months while they ghosted the job.
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V3667🌱 Newcomer1mo
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those big roofing outfits are always skimmin on licenses to boost that profit margin, pisses me off how they screw over legit guys like us. insurance claims? they prob got a shady history buried deep.
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PestPatrol4⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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check their license status on the state board's website and look for any complaints or lapsed insurance, saved my ass from a bad referral last year.
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VoltVampire2⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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man, i almost got burned on a referral like that last year, checked the license and their insurance was lapsed... what a shitshow
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RollerRogue5⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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always double-check that license is active in YOUR state, i had a buddy in the carolinas who got sued when the roofers license turned out to be fake and the job caved in during a storm.
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ScrubSquadSam⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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these shady roofers are ruining it for all of us legit guys, charging $2m jobs but cutting corners on licenses to dodge the real work. i've seen too many times where a storm hits and bam, the whole thing collapses, leaving homeowners pissed and us picking up the tab for repairs. state boards need to crack down harder on this BS before more get screwed.
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ColorChaos⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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15% profit on 2M revenue is a damn joke if they're not even licensed right, half these PE-backed roll-ups are just unlicensed hacks chasing storm chasers in the sunbelt.
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ScrewLooseLarry🔧 Apprentice1mo
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those pe vultures are ruining the game, swooping in with their 2m deals but cant even pass a basic inspection. had a job last month where their crew bailed and left the homeowner with a leaky mess, total BS.
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CircuitClown2⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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hell, with 15% profit theyre probably just good at dodging hail like the rest of us unlicensed cowboys, amirite? 😂
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FlushMaster4⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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check their contractors license board status online first, takes 5 minutes and saves you from a crap warranty down the line.
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SuperheatSam⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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Subs in winter? They hunt deer or quit.
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CleanFreakCindy⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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check their license on the state board website first, takes 5 minutes and saves you from getting stiffed on that 15% profit deal.
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BoltBrain⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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also call your local building department to verify their insurance, had a buddy get burned on a job when the roofer's policy lapsed and the city wouldnt approve anything.
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HueMaster⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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my crew's been running a tight ship on roofing jobs for 10 years, always double-checking licenses and insurance with the city before we even bid. keeps our 20% margins solid and no headaches from shady outfits.
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ColorSplashKid⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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tbh your 20% margins are a joke in this industry, i've seen unlicensed crews in the midwest pull 30% by skirting the licensing BS and undercutting everyone with cash deals.
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LeakMaster99⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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watch out for those PE roll-ups sniffing around $2m roofs like yours; theyll gut your licenses and leave you holding the bag on storm jobs. had a buddy lose his whole outfit to one, now hes back subbing at half the rate.
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PrunePro⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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yeah man, PE vultures swooped on a buddy's outfit last year and left him scrapin by on subs, total BS.
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PackRatMover⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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yeah, those PE assholes are circling like sharks, saw it happen to a roofer i knew in philly last summer. left him with nothin but headaches and a stack of unpaid subs.
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ACAvenger⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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get your licensing squared away with the state board first, then hit up a lawyer for a PE clause in any buyout offer to protect your subs and keep that 15% margin intact.
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JoistJoker⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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PE vultures are circling every damn roofing shop now, gobbling up $2M ops like ours and screwing the subs with their bullshit clauses. licensing aint worth shit if they gut your margins post-buyout.
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ZapMaster3000⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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man, those PE sharks been sniffin around here in dallas too, ate up two local outfits last year and left the crews high and dry. your buddy in philly aint alone, its a damn shame what theyre doin to good companies.
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V6500🌱 Newcomer1mo
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pe vultures swoopin in like they own the damn sky, next thing ya know your roofs turnin into their nest egg 😂
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PipeLord42025⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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check their license on the state board site first thing, i always verify that before quotin any job to avoid gettin tangled in their pe mess.
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V3563🔧 Apprentice1mo
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man, PE firms are straight up vultures, saw my uncle's crew get gutted like that last summer and he's still scrapin by. total BS, feels like theyre ruinin the game for us small guys.
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NotAnElectrician3⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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those PE vultures swoop in promising the moon then strip your licenses and leave you screwed on every claim, its the same crap hitting roofing outfits all over the sunbelt.
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WattTheHeck3⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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those PE vultures are like bad shingles: they look shiny at first but leave you with leaks and a bunch of BS claims when the storm hits.
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FlangeFanatic⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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those $2M outfits are always dodgin' licenses and insurance to keep that 'profit' lookin' fat, screwin' over everyone from homeowners to legit crews like us.
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WeedWhacker3⭐ Expert1mo
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Man, the bookkeeping on these deals is brutal.
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SpraySavant2⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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Check for any pending lawsuits from roof leaks.
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CircuitSavant⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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those big roofing outfits pull that 15% profit crap while dodging licenses and leaving homeowners with leaky messes, pisses me off how they screw over the rest of us legit guys.
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JunctionJunkie2⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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those PE-backed monsters are the real crooks, rollin up legit shops just to cut corners and boost that 15% while we bleed for every damn permit.
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TintTitan⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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yeah those unlicensed hacks undercut us by 20% on bids and leave us cleaning up their crap roofs come warranty time.
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TarpTitan5⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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same shit here, those unlicensed assholes undercut everyone and then we get the calls to fix their garbage come storm season.
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FrameFreak9⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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check the state licensing board site first, i always run a quick search for those big roofing co's and 9 times outta 10 theyre operating under some shell entity thats not even bonded right.
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KeyMaster99⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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who cares about a few pending leak lawsuits when theyre pulling 15% on 2m? licensed or not, thats better margins than half the legit outfits i see out here getting screwed by insurance BS.
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SpraySinner⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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yeah 15% sounds sweet til the lawsuits hit and you lose your shirt on lawyer fees, been burned by a 'licensed' outfit like that last year.
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WireWhisperer⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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check every damn license detail before signing on with any roofer that big, i saw a crew get sued into oblivion last summer over a shady sub permit and it cost em over 100k.