Frustrated with roofing liability insurance pushing my rates through the roof
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DuctDoctor
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DuctDoctor⚒️ JourneymanOP11mo
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I'm a roofer with 15 years under my belt, and these liability insurance premiums are killing me. Just got hit with a 25% increase even though I haven't had a claim in years, all because of some new regs on fall protection for steep pitches. We're in Texas so hail storms mean constant roof inspections and repairs, but the insurers don't care about that. I use CertainTeed shingles mostly and always follow OSHA guidelines, but still, it's like they think every job's gonna end in a lawsuit. Anyone else dealing with this crap? Saw a post in the Roofing Contractors Facebook group where a guy said he switched carriers and saved $2k a year, but I'm not sure if that's legit.
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ShingleShuffler5⚒️ Journeyman11mo
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man that sucks, same boat here with premiums doubling last year.
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TarPaperTitan⚒️ Journeyman11mo
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dude tell me about it, roofing's risky enough without the insurance BS.
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NailBiter3⚒️ Journeyman11mo
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yeah, feel your pain brother.
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RollerRandy⭐ Expert11mo
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it's everywhere, not just you.
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TileTerror4⚒️ Journeyman10mo
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insurance companies are vampires in this trade.
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PanelPusher6⚒️ Journeyman10mo
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screw em all.
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RootRanger⚒️ Journeyman10mo
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screw the insurers, they're the real thieves in roofing.
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LawnLizard3🔧 Apprentice10mo
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preach, they jack up rates after one windy season.
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DirtBagDan3⚒️ Journeyman10mo
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been there, premiums ate my whole winter profit.
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SpringSpecialist11⚒️ Journeyman10mo
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ugh, same here man.
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FixItFred🔧 Apprentice10mo
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goddamn it, switched to a new policy and still paying through the nose for basic liability.
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NotAnElectrician19⚒️ Journeyman10mo
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try a trade-specific broker, might shave off some.
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RollerRandy⭐ Expert10mo
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yeah but even they can't fix the hikes.
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NailBiter3⚒️ Journeyman10mo
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brokers helped me a bit, worth a shot.
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AmpedUpApprentice⚒️ Journeyman10mo
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i feel ya, just starting out and liability's already a nightmare.
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TenYearVet4⚒️ Journeyman10mo
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hang in there kid, it gets worse lol.
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BoxHauler3⭐ Expert10mo
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yep, solidarity from this old timer.
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FrameFreak3⭐ Expert10mo
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insurance is a joke, one slip on a wet shingle and you're done.
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PickMaster2⚒️ Journeyman10mo
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exactly, they don't get how we work up high.
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KeyTwister2⚒️ Journeyman10mo
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damn, that texas hail must make it worse.
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PrunePro2⚒️ Journeyman10mo
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yeah premiums suck, but skip em and you're screwed if OSHA audits.
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GarageGuru2⭐ Expert10mo
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OSHA's the devil too.
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LadderLad3🔧 Apprentice10mo
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sucks man, i just raised my quotes to cover it.
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BrushStrokePro14⚒️ Journeyman10mo
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hell yeah, insurers are ruining small roofing crews.
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BloomBandit⚒️ Journeyman10mo
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join the club, every roofer's pissed.
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TarPaperTitan⚒️ Journeyman10mo
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controversial take: go bare bones coverage and self-insure the rest.
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TileTerror4⚒️ Journeyman10mo
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get with a group policy through the NRCA, cuts costs by 30%.
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PanelPusher6⚒️ Journeyman10mo
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shop around every year, i use an independent agent who knows roofing.
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LawnLizard3🔧 Apprentice10mo
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frustrated as hell, had to lay off a helper because of the increase.
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SpringSpecialist11⚒️ Journeyman9mo
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i hear you, it's brutal out there.
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NotAnElectrician19⚒️ Journeyman9mo
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this crap is why i stick to flat roofs only.
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RollerRandy⭐ Expert9mo
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finally got my liability down to $8k/year by bundling with workers comp.
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NailBiter3⚒️ Journeyman9mo
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shady but some guys use offshore insurers, risky af.
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TenYearVet4⚒️ Journeyman9mo
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help: document every job photo to fight claims.
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BoxHauler3⭐ Expert9mo
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don't skimp on coverage, saw a roofer bankrupt from one fall.
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PickMaster2⚒️ Journeyman9mo
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document everything and get good legal advice upfront.
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GarageGuru2⭐ Expert9mo
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insurers and lawyers are the enemy.
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BloomBandit⚒️ Journeyman9mo
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i feel that, premiums up 40% here too.
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VoltageVagabond2⭐ Expert9mo
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love how we band together against this BS.
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PalletPro⚒️ Journeyman9mo
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controversial: liability's overrated, focus on safety training instead.
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DustBunnyHunter6⭐ Expert9mo
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watch out for those texas inspectors, they flag everything for liability.
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WireWhisperer3⭐ Expert9mo
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collective rage: screw the whole system, time for union power.
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MiterMaster⚒️ Journeyman9mo
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i'm with you, it's exhausting.
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PaintSplatter2⚒️ Journeyman9mo
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bold opinion: drop full coverage if you're solo, pocket the savings.
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SprayMaster⚒️ Journeyman9mo
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get certified with GAF, they offer discounted liability rates.
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FramingFool3⚒️ Journeyman9mo
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had a claim last year, premiums tripled, total BS.
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HardwoodHero3⭐ Expert9mo
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man, roofing life's tough enough without this.
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BlowerDoorBob⚒️ Journeyman9mo
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proud i negotiated mine down 15% by proving clean record.
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SprayGunStan⭐ Expert9mo
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fight me: general liability ain't worth it for small jobs.
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RoofRat2⚒️ Journeyman9mo
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use apps like RoofLink for job docs to lower risk ratings.
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FuseFiend⚒️ Journeyman9mo
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yeah, insurance is screwing us all.
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DustBunnySlayer5⚒️ Journeyman9mo
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scaled my roofing biz to 5 trucks, liability's still my biggest expense.
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SparkPlugPro⚒️ Journeyman9mo
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i get it, hang in there.
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PackRatMover⚒️ Journeyman9mo
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frustrated too, quoted a big tear-off and insurance killed the margin.
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AmpedUpApprentice⚒️ Journeyman8mo
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how do you guys handle subcontractors' liability?
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DirtBagLandscaper⚒️ Journeyman8mo
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this is why i hate thursday renewals.
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ShingleShuffler⭐ Expert8mo
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shady companies are driving up everyone's rates.
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JoltJester2⭐ Expert8mo
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help: try captives like AmTrust for roofers.
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SafeCrackerSue🔧 Apprentice8mo
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don't do umbrella policies, they're a ripoff.
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SpringSpecialist3⭐ Expert8mo
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insurers hate roofing, period.
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SparkPlugMike⚒️ Journeyman8mo
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built my company without claims, still pay premium.
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FloorFumbler⚒️ Journeyman8mo
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proud of my zero claims streak, but rates don't care.
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PestPatrolPete⚒️ Journeyman8mo
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warning: one bad review and watch premiums spike.
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TenYearVet21⚒️ Journeyman8mo
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haha, my agent's like a used car salesman.
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DeadboltDave⭐ Expert8mo
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got to $300k revenue, liability's 10% of overhead now.
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FittingFiend2⚒️ Journeyman8mo
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we've come far fighting these hikes together.
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PestPatrol3⚒️ Journeyman8mo
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lol, thought i was the only one cursing my policy.
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DrainDiver3⚒️ Journeyman8mo
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proud i switched to a mutual insurer, saved big.
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FlooringFiasco2⚒️ Journeyman8mo
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scaling up but liability's capping my growth.
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VoltageVampire⭐ Expert8mo
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customer slipped on tarps, claim denied, now i'm pissed.
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PrimerPal⚒️ Journeyman8mo
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got my certs renewed and still no break on rates.
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DuctTapeDave4🔧 Apprentice8mo
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haha insurance adjusters are the worst.
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GateGuard⚒️ Journeyman8mo
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insurers banding together to bleed us dry.
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TenYearVet9⭐ Expert8mo
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yeah, total commiseration.
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WireWhisperer3⭐ Expert8mo
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screw em, raise rates on clients.
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LiftLord⚒️ Journeyman8mo
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i feel your frustration daily.
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BugBlasterBen⚒️ Journeyman8mo
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man, this liability crap is endless.
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DustBunnyBoss⭐ Expert7mo
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same here, can't catch a break.
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RodentRidder⭐ Expert7mo
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how much are you paying yearly?
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NotAnElectrician5⚒️ Journeyman7mo
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frustrated af with renewals.
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FixItFelix10⭐ Expert7mo
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yeah, it's a racket.
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GarageGuru9⚒️ Journeyman7mo
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we're all in this mess.
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VentMaster99⚒️ Journeyman7mo
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how do you document for audits?
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LatexLegend⭐ Expert7mo
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proud i fought a claim and won.
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RollerRogue2⚒️ Journeyman7mo
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get with a roofing association for group rates.
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VentilatorVic⚒️ Journeyman7mo
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had to fire a sub over bad liability.
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VoltageVagabond2⭐ Expert7mo
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try bundling with property insurance.
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ShingleShark6⚒️ Journeyman7mo
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help: anyone use JobNimbus for risk tracking?
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KeyMaster99⚒️ Journeyman7mo
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insurers love roofing claims.
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LockoutLulu⚒️ Journeyman7mo
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i hear ya.
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RootRanger⚒️ Journeyman7mo
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what's your deductible at?
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SpringSpecialist3⭐ Expert7mo
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collective rage at the premiums.
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MulchMan⚒️ Journeyman7mo
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switched carriers and saved 20%.
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OddJobOtto2⚒️ Journeyman7mo
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don't ignore the exclusions clause.
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SparkSafety⚒️ Journeyman7mo
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yeah, roofing's high risk for them.
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DrainDiver4⚒️ Journeyman7mo
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built a safety program to lower rates.
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RoofRat99⚒️ Journeyman7mo
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proud of my low claims ratio.
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TenYearVet19⚒️ Journeyman7mo
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lol, my first claim was a bird strike.
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LadderLad⭐ Expert7mo
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got to 10 years claim-free, still high rates.
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WattTheHeck14⚒️ Journeyman7mo
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insurers are the villains here.
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SpraySavant4⚒️ Journeyman7mo
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collective screw the system.
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MiterMaster⚒️ Journeyman6mo
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man, i feel that.
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BugBlaster6🔧 Apprentice6mo
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same struggles every renewal.
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ColorWheelCarl⚒️ Journeyman6mo
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controversial: go uninsured for small gigs.
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PipeDreamer9🔧 Apprentice6mo
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i get the frustration.
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NotAnElectrician⭐ Expert6mo
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proud i negotiated better terms.
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DoorOpenerPro⚒️ Journeyman6mo
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use QuickBooks to track liability costs.
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MulchMogul2⚒️ Journeyman6mo
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yeah, it's tough.
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FixItFelix10⭐ Expert6mo
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how do you vet new carriers?
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KeyMaster5⚒️ Journeyman6mo
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warning: read the fine print on wind damage.
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WireWizard⭐ Expert6mo
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insurers jack rates after storms.
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PipeLord4207⚒️ Journeyman6mo
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haha, my policy's a joke.
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ColorCraze⚒️ Journeyman6mo
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got my business licensed fresh, rates are killer.
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DustBusterDave⭐ Expert6mo
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collective rage indeed.
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VacuumVanguard⚒️ Journeyman6mo
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i feel ya brother.
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MopAndGloGuy⚒️ Journeyman6mo
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how's the texas market for insurance?
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LeakHunter2⚒️ Journeyman6mo
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help: recommend a good broker.
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PaintPusherPete⚒️ Journeyman6mo
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screw the big insurers.
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WrenchWarrior⭐ Expert6mo
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try state farm for trades.
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DrainDragon2⚒️ Journeyman6mo
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warning: one lawsuit and you're toast.
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BoxTosser2⚒️ Journeyman6mo
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help: what's NRCA's group policy like?
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FramingFool2⚒️ Journeyman6mo
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collective frustration with hikes.
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StudStubborn⚒️ Journeyman6mo
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yeah, roofing life's hard.
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PackRatPaul⚒️ Journeyman6mo
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lol, birds causing claims? gold.
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FreonFanatic⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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proud of dodging a big one last year.
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WireWizardWalt⭐ Expert5mo
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help: audit your policy yearly.
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FixItFelix⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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i feel that pain.
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VentKing⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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how do you handle sub liability?
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BrushStrokePro13⚒️ Journeyman5mo
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man, insurance companies are screwing us all with these rates, mine jumped 40% last year just cuz of one claim. sub liability is a nightmare, i tell my subs to carry their own or i walk away.