Subcontracting Roof Replacements in Houston - How Do You Vet Subs?
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NotAnElectrician27
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NotAnElectrician27⚒️ JourneymanOP1mo
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Hey all, been doing roofing out of the Houston suburbs for about 10 years now, mostly residential shingle jobs after those hail storms we get every spring. Decided to start subcontracting out some of the bigger tear-offs to scale up without hiring full-time guys, but I've had mixed results with a couple crews who botched the underlayment and ended up with leaks on CertainTeed Landmark installs. What's your process for vetting subs - do you check their GAF certification or just run a background on licenses? I usually start with a small repair gig to test them, but twice now I've had to redo flashing work because they skipped the step flashing on valleys. Anyone have a good checklist or software for tracking sub performance? Looking to avoid any more callbacks this busy season.
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TenYearVet25⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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man, those valley flashing screw-ups are the worst - had a sub turn a simple CertainTeed job into a leak fest last summer, had to tear it all out and redo it myself while the homeowner's yelling about the delay. been there with the test gigs, but half the time they still ghost after the small stuff. i just started requiring them to show GAF certs and insurance upfront, saves the headache of callbacks. houston hail season's no joke, dont let em botch your rep like that.
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FlangeFixer⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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get a signed subcontractor agreement that spells out insurance requirements and pass-through safety rules before they start, then verify with a certificate of insurance to avoid those underlayment headaches.
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DustBunnyBoss⭐ Expert1mo
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man, those botched underlayment jobs suck, been chasing leaks on subbed tear-offs for years and it always comes back to me.
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PanelPusher2⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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dont hand over a job without their certificate of insurance in hand, had a sub's ladder tip and it cost me 25k in liability i wasnt covered for.
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TileTerror9⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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hey man, how do you even find decent subs in houston that wont screw up the valleys? i've been burned twice already and could use some tips on spotting the good ones before i hire.
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PrunePro2⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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ask for their roofing subcontractor agreement up front and make sure it covers liability and warranty details before letting them near the valleys, saves you a ton of headaches.
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ColorWheelCarl2⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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goddamn subs in houston are the WORST, always cutting corners on that underlayment and flashing to chase the next hail check. i had one crew turn a simple certainteed job into a $5k callback nightmare last spring, and dont even get me started on their sketchy licenses. screw vetting with small gigs, make em sign a ironclad subcontractor agreement up front or youre just begging for more leaks and pissed homeowners.
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LeakHunter4🔧 Apprentice1mo
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man, the subs in this town are a total crapshoot, i've had my share of leaky messes from those corner-cutting crews chasing hail storms. last summer one turned a straightforward owens corning install into a $3k headache that had me back on the ladder twice. signed agreements help, but you gotta watch em like a hawk or youre just rolling the dice on callbacks. been there too many times, feels like herding cats sometimes.
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CleanFreak99⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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screw certifications and small gigs, i just look for subs who actually know what step flashing is instead of those hack crews treating roofs like their personal cash grab, and yeah i've fired more than i've kept in this houston shitshow.
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JoistJockey6🔧 Apprentice1mo
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GAF certs are a joke half the time, just means they paid for training, not that they won't screw your valleys. skip the small gigs and demand a signed sub agreement with pass-through insurance or you'll be footing the bill for their crap work every time.
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BoxTosser⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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goddamn subs in houston are the WORST, always cutting corners on underlayment just to pocket extra cash while i'm stuck fixing their messes. had a crew last year botch a whole CertainTeed job on a valley, skipped step flashing completely, and now the homeowner's pissed and calling me nonstop for callbacks. you think checking GAF certs helps? hell no, half of em fake it or got it from some weekend seminar. i started running deep license checks through the state board and pulling insurance certs myself, but even that doesnt stop the lazy bastards from ghosting halfway through. insurance companies are no better, jacking up my premiums because of one bad sub's screwup. tried using that FieldEdge software to track their performance, logs every damn detail, but it aint worth the hassle if they keep burning you. we all gotta band together and blackball these clowns before they tank the whole industry down here.
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VoltageVirgin⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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man, same shit here in texas with subs half-assing the valleys and leaving me to fix leaks. been there twice this year already, its frustrating as hell.
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RoofRatRicky⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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you ever had luck checking their past jobs on angi leads before letting them on a full tear-off, or is that just a waste of time in houston?
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CircuitScreamer2⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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screw certifications, half the 'certified' crews out here in houston are just paper-pushers who wouldnt know step flashing from a hole in the ground. i vet mine by riding their ass on the first job, no exceptions, and if they skip valleys or botch underlayment like yours did, theyre gone forever. checklists are for suits, real vetting is watching em work and firing fast.
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ColorBlindPainter⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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always start with a small tear-off gig like you do, but make em demo a full valley section and check their underlayment with ice and water shield before any big job. for tracking, jobber's sub contractor module lets you log performance notes and photos after each install, keeps callbacks down to almost zero.
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GarageGuru4⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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goddamn subs in houston are the WORST, always cutting corners on underlayment to rush the job and leaving you with pissed off homeowners calling at midnight about leaks.
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TileTitan⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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man, i feel your pain on those botched underlayments, had a sub crew in the gulf area leave me with three callbacks last season cuz they couldnt be bothered with proper flashing, total nightmare.
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V1634🔧 Apprentice1mo
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For vetting subs, I always ask for their last three job references and check if they've got workers comp proof - saved me from a claim last year on a similar shingle job.
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SpotlessSteve10⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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Same here, references are key but I also run a quick lien search on them through the county records. Had a sub stiff a supplier once and it almost came back on me.
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TarPaperTom⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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man, i once vetted a sub so hard he probably thought i was his new parole officer. started with the county lien search like you said, then i made the guy buy me lunch before id even look at his truck. turns out his 'crew' was just him and his brother-in-law who showed up hungover from the night before. we got the roof half done when the brother starts complaining about the heat in houston, like dude, its ALWAYS this hot here. i had to chase em off with a threat of calling the supplier myself, saved my ass by a hair. now i always include a clause in the sub agreement that they gotta cover their own beer tabs too. lol, seriously though, that lien search is gold, caught a $5k supplier beef on the last one. saved me from a crap-show that woulda had me eatin ramen for months.
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LeakHunter5⚒️ Journeyman1mo
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asked for refs once and the guy sends me pics of his dog doing tricks ... turns out his 'crew' was just him and a ladder that wouldn't stand up straight.